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the smoke radio

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for the masses headline edition july 8

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the army air forces has announced that a

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flying disc has been found

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and is now in the possession of the army

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if the game is rigged

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change the game game changer

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i occasionally think how quickly our

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differences worldwide

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would vanish if we were facing an alien

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from outside this world

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this is fade to black with your host

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jimmy church

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on the game changer radio network and

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the global radio alliance

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i need your help to get to the year

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1985.

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you are listening to fate to flag with

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jimmy judge on the game changer network

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good evening

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payton black

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for the

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masses yeah man how you doing

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how you doing

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today's tuesday august 25 2020

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238 days into the new year only

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left we are live from a bunker somewhere

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in the middle of beautiful downtown

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burbank california

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and i would like to welcome everybody

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listening all around the world

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all across the united states

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hither and tether to and fro back and

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forth up and down

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east and west north and south far and

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this is fade to black

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for kjcr the game changer networking

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k.g.r.a the planet i'm your host jimmy

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church

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and i have got a hair in my eye and it

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yeah this old guy's got long hair

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all right i'm ready to do this

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i'm gonna lose that competition that's

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right don schmidt is back

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we're gonna be talking about his new

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book tonight and

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also uh we're gonna jump into

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to uh to a subject that everybody's

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talking about right now

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old school versus new school ufo

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research

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and uh don donna's been at this for a

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very long time and and

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and very committed and uh he knows what

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he's talking about

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uh when we when we go here so that's

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what we're gonna do tonight tomorrow

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night

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on this very program jason

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quit for a quick spiricy seven

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yeah man jason quit

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man that's that's just turned into a hit

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i knew it would too

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jason quit tomorrow night and um

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let's just jump into everything uh let's

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get this uh show cracking right now

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uh again if you want to check out the uh

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new episode of the h factor go to

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our youtube channel for game changer

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network the links are all over social

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media it's game changer network

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youtube forward slash game changer

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network

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i believe is our url

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i don't even know what's url stand for

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who knows anybody know

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youtube slash

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man what was uh man

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what was slash dot oh

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man slash dot has still got to be around

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i used to speaking of that

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i bet you ipd goes to slash dot every

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single day

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he's an original he's an original slash

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daddy and i'll bet you money on that i

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started that man i started slashdot me

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and a couple of guys in chicago

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i kid no i'm not i'm not kidding

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he probably did slash dot man i used to

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spend so much time there

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that uh that was impressive anybody

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universal relay link

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uh is that it i said that makes it

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i that's coming in from dennis somebody

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that i trust a lot

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he probably googled it no not dennis

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dennis is too smart

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uh uniform resource

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locator that's from tampa rick

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uh unified resource link

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okay so wait a minute here i got

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i got i got a lot of different answers

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universal resource locator

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uniform resource locator okay

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look that's one two three four five

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six fader knots six different

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unif universal registry link

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ah so nobody knows is it registry is it

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is it universal is it uniform is it link

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is it locator

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all right now i thought

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i want to say i'm not the dumb one here

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oh man okay you guys just keep that

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going i'll let you fight amongst

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everybody came in with an answer except

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for ipd

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uh who uh our local uh

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computer guru here on fade to black who

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whose computer blew up and he's out

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shopping so he's probably

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not with us tonight i don't know when

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was the last time ipd

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was not in the sandbox at the start of

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wow man i'm feeling kind of i'm feeling

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kind of strange

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of course mark taran has got to come up

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with the wikipedia.org

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explanation for url

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because carl the programmer says it's

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uniform resource

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locator okay

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all right well um you might be right

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there dennis because

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mark tarana who who believes everything

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is saying the same thing so there you go

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uniform resource locator

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okay all right it's for people that

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find their uh mcdonald's

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get up when they go to work unicorn

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resource locator

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the winner is david x pendleton

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everybody there you go all right now

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that we just

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discussed urls for 10 minutes slash dot

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does anybody remember slash dot

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and i am yeah i'm gonna call ipd

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check in right now thanks stacy you

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should do that

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um slash it was just incredible

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a bunch of nerds and geeks uh getting

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together discussing

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things it was uh absolutely absolutely

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incredible

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okay where am i at crystal skulls

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carolyn ford texted me

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today right before the show i could show

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you the text on the camera

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saying thank you and i'm going to say it

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again everybody wants their first

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crystal skull or maybe their second

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crystal skull there's only one place to

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go

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the best resource everybody wonders

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where they're coming from

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how do people you know you see somebody

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with them i got it from carolyn ford

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yeah this is the most amazing crystal

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skull i've ever seen where'd you get it

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got it from carolyn ford

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well that's where you need to go

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einstein the crystalskull.com

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it's very simple and you know just look

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look what i have

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here in the studio right and

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and elvis who is too heavy for me to

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pick up he's not very

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big he's this big buddy's garnet and he

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weighs 27 pounds

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and it's this big um the best

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so go to einstein the crystal skull.com

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today use the promo code

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jimmy jimmy j-i-m-m-y you will get 10

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off of your crystal skull order today go

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and visit carolyn ford all right

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all right all right where am i at uh

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this thursday go to thedarkzone.tv

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through monday august 31st it is a 24

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four day live stream all right

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thedarkzone.tv the links are over at

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and and check it out you never know

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who's gonna stop by

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all right all right thedarkzone.tv

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now i've gotta disclose your fest

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announcements

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disclosure fest is happening right here

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in los angeles at the historic los

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angeles park in downtown los angeles

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it's on my birthday october 10th and

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what's the day after your birthday what

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do they call that

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it's you have birthday eve and then

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birthday and then birthday

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well that's october 11th okay 2020. this

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will be an amazing

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live streaming event with everything

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visible for you to engage in this

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multimedia

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festival all right now yes if you want

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to hang out they

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are live streaming filming making a

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of everything and then so you can go

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and if you want to get in on the filming

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or be part of the live stream

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come on down to the park and hang out

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with all of us it's my birthday we're

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going to celebrate so

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come on down and do that but it's going

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to be live streaming

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all around the world okay it's two days

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five stages five stages of music

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everything visible for you to engage in

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this multimedia festival

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two days five stages yoga speakers music

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art installations workshops and virtual

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exhibitors

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all you have to do is go to

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disclosurefest.org for details

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very simple go and get it done

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disclosure fest i'm so

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looking forward to this all right follow

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me on twitter at

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j church radio at j church

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radio you can see what uh mark turana

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is uh posting now posted something else

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from from wikipedia

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yeah the wikipedia listing for jimmy

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it says blah blah blah yeah we know that

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we know that mark we know that

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follow me on twitter at j church radio

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the sandbox is hashtag f2b

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on twitter come and see whatever

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personal hangover day person oh

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oh i thought it was your personal

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hangover day that that you did something

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last night

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sarah you're saying that that's what the

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day after oh i get it i get it

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i get it any questions or comments

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tonight hashtag f2bq

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jimmychurchradio.com breaking news

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kfc that's right

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kentucky fried chicken says it is

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halting its finger licking good

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slogan now you have to ask yourself

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how's that possible

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can't do that you you can't do that

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it's part of america kentucky fried

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chickens has given the current hygiene

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advice being given

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and because of the coronavirus pandemic

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they can no longer say print or imply

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that their chicken is finger licking

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holy crap kfc announced today and i

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quote

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in a unique situation having an iconic

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slogan that doesn't quite fit in the

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current environment

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end quote it has altered its packaging

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with the phrase obscured

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but kfc said the phrase would return

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when the time is right

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the company revealed its new look

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through a youtube video today

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showing the slogan pixelated on posters

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and its food buckets

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saying that thing we always say

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ignore it for now

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end quote what does that do for

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yeah i hope he's got a stash of the

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old-school

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buckets i mean seriously i mean

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have we really really come to that

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i mean really come to that now

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i don't know about the hygiene thing i

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don't know i don't know

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i don't think anybody else is licking

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other people's fingers i mean you don't

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bite the chicken

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and then stick your fingers in somebody

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else's mouth

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i don't think anybody's out there doing

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that that's the advice it's finger

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looking good but don't put your finger

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in your friend's mouth it's finger

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looking good don't put your finger in

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your kid's mouth

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your mom's mouth right i don't get it

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i don't get it if you've got coronavirus

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on your hands

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or your mouth you've already got it eat

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your chicken

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lick your fingers gives a crap

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man meow just said i still lick my

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fingers

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i'm such a rebel living on the edge i

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know

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rita writes me about that don't do that

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i'm like

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i'm in a great mood don schmidt is here

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let's get this show cracking

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happy birthday to today sean

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connery is 90. i almost need to say that

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like three or four times

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sean connery is 90.

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director tim burton today

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62. gene simmons

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today oh man i'm going to get struck by

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lightning

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oh man you know

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the four horsemen of the apocalypse are

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coming down the street

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when you just know that gene simmons

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is cruising around his house in a walker

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think about that actor alexander

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skarsgard today

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is 44. he played eric northman in true

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blood he was excellent

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elvis costello today is 66.

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rob halford today is 69

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and guitar great almost a living legend

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vivian campbell today

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is 58 years old does vivian get living

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legend status

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like you know gene simmons or rob

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halford

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is vivian campbell there for those first

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two deal records

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i'm j i'm just power of suggestion

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right not yeah okay all right all right

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all right def leppard

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not so much but the first two deal

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records

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think about that holy diva right

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last in line vivian

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campbell today 58 years old our dead

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guy's birthday today

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yo 1951 to 2004

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died at the age of 54. peter frampton's

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uh keyboard player rhythm guitarist

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during frampton's heyday

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that's right when frampton literally

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owned

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planet earth

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he was made a household name when peter

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says

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bob mayo one of the keyboards mr bob

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mayo remember that

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during do you feel like we do right the

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live version from frampton comes alive

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right that's bob mayo on february 23

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2004

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mayo was touring with peter frampton in

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basil switzerland

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where he had a heart attack and died i

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uh i saw frampton

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one of the first concerts 1977

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frampton comes a live tour rick

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derringer opened the show

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at market square arena in indianapolis

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and

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anyway so frampton comes out

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and and i look and there's no

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there's no bob mayo i'm like wait a

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minute here

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it's frampton on guitar bass player no

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keyboard player in the drummer this is

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three-piece band what's going on here i

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want my ticket money back

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frantic goes right up to the microphone

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and says

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our drummer what was his name um uh

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[Music]

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sydney sheldon i think are drummers sick

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tonight

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but mr bob mayo can play the drums i was

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like oh so we got bob mayo

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he's just playing drums tonight and he

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did and it was great

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happy birthday bob uh you were game

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changer man

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mr mr bob mayo it's his birthday

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on this day in history 1835

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it was the great moon hoax

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you probably don't know about this so

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let me

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educate you 1835 the great moon hoax

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is published in the new york sun it was

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a series of

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six articles and they it wasn't called

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the great moon hoax

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by the way that's right six articles

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saying that

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sir john herschel the most famous

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astronomer

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of his day had found

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evidence of life forms on the moon he

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went to south africa

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got the biggest telescope in the world

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at the time pointed it at the moon was

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studying the moon

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and then the article said that he found

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life forms on the moon including

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fantastic animals like unicorns

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two legged beavers and furry winged

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humanoids resembling bats

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the new york sun did it to

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increase sales

447
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that's right well it worked

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the public believed the story and the

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new york sun

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after the articles were published became

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the largest

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newspaper in the world

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and that happened on this day

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in 1835 you should go read the articles

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00:24:03,430 --> 00:24:02,559
man they're absolutely incredible

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00:24:07,190 --> 00:24:03,440
incredible

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00:24:10,230 --> 00:24:07,200
fader fact keanu reeves

458
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was forced to shoot a film

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after a friend forged his signature on

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the film's contract

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that's right he had to do it

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and i know what you're saying right now

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00:24:25,590 --> 00:24:23,679
church it didn't happen it did happen

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00:24:27,029 --> 00:24:25,600
now i know what you're asking you want

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00:24:30,830 --> 00:24:27,039
to know what the film was

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well the film was made it was

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called the watcher

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that's right i saw that piece of crap

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00:24:42,070 --> 00:24:40,159
the watcher

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00:24:44,310 --> 00:24:42,080
that's right and it went down as one of

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the worst films in history

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and that that is your fader fact

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that's been vetted that's real it's also

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been vetted about its status

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rivermooncoffee.com fade to black blend

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00:25:06,070 --> 00:25:05,120
go to rivermooncoffee.com promo code f2b

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blind 15

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off of your order today you can go to

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the amazon store

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00:25:15,190 --> 00:25:12,480
right there promo code is i don't know

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it's on our website that's the promo

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code

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00:25:19,909 --> 00:25:18,480
for amazon i can't remember i can't

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remember what the promo code is for

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00:25:24,070 --> 00:25:20,400
amazon

486
00:25:26,390 --> 00:25:24,080
but you'll get 10 percent off right

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00:25:28,149 --> 00:25:26,400
on amazon and and free shipping is that

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00:25:28,870 --> 00:25:28,159
how that works or is it five i don't

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know

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use it go to the amazon store but you're

491
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gonna get free shipping

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coffee's already discounted on amazon

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too as well

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all right tonight special guest on

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schmidt we're gonna be talking about his

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new book

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and we're going to talk about old school

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and

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take this time because

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old school versus ufo uh old school

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versus new school ufo research is

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an interesting subject for don schmidt

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he's been there back in the beginning of

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fade to black i used to talk about ufo

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conferences and who was attending them

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and i'm not referring to research but i

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used to talk about attendees

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there was a lot of conversation going

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around uh

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back you know 10 years ago about how ufo

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conferences were

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falling in attendance and that

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the attendees were all blue hairs there

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was gray-haired

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they were they're you know old nobody

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young

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and and the the attendance is dropping

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off

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literally right in real time okay so

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i i used to talk about that but i never

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i never

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saw any of that there was a lot of

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chatter about it

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right and

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i i guess i guess it was like this

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because

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even when i started going to uh

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mufon los angeles and

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00:27:03,909 --> 00:27:02,720
started seeing what was going on i'm

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gonna say that was

531
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that was a mix of of young and old and

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medium

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the time i was

534
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man i was in my early 40s right

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okay so that's medium but

536
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i don't talk much during the show it's

537
00:27:25,510 --> 00:27:24,000
always about the guest

538
00:27:27,190 --> 00:27:25,520
but i just wanted to take this

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00:27:30,630 --> 00:27:27,200
opportunity right here and now

540
00:27:34,149 --> 00:27:30,640
to say a few things about this in that i

541
00:27:37,909 --> 00:27:34,159
have always wanted to

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00:27:40,549 --> 00:27:37,919
know that after faded

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00:27:41,909 --> 00:27:40,559
fade to black is done and after i've

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00:27:45,590 --> 00:27:41,919
departed this

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00:27:47,909 --> 00:27:45,600
beautiful blue planet that

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00:27:49,029 --> 00:27:47,919
that the ufo community was going to be

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00:27:52,230 --> 00:27:49,039
in good hands

548
00:27:54,310 --> 00:27:52,240
that what is coming up below me

549
00:27:55,830 --> 00:27:54,320
you know and that is going to be you

550
00:27:58,789 --> 00:27:55,840
know running the show

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00:28:00,230 --> 00:27:58,799
literally that that things are going to

552
00:28:01,830 --> 00:28:00,240
continue and we're going to be in a good

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place and i've always felt really good

554
00:28:05,510 --> 00:28:02,799
about that

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00:28:08,070 --> 00:28:05,520
because when i go to ufo conferences

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00:28:11,190 --> 00:28:08,080
everything that i had read

557
00:28:15,029 --> 00:28:11,200
in uh in the early 2000s and

558
00:28:16,789 --> 00:28:15,039
and things about ufo conferences and how

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00:28:18,310 --> 00:28:16,799
how the attendance had dropped and what

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00:28:21,350 --> 00:28:18,320
was going on

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00:28:24,070 --> 00:28:21,360
um i was very cognizant of it and i

562
00:28:27,269 --> 00:28:24,080
wanted to observe that i never saw it

563
00:28:28,149 --> 00:28:27,279
i never saw that happen i'd go to a ufo

564
00:28:31,190 --> 00:28:28,159
conference and

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i mean even it's it's

566
00:28:36,389 --> 00:28:35,039
i'm gonna say this i feel really really

567
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old

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and i'm in my 50s and i say that because

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i look around and i see the the

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domination of the young faces

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that that that's it that's who attends

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these conferences these days

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sure people in the 30s and 40s and 50s

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and 60s

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70s yeah that that's that's there

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it it of course it is but

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ufo conferences the the people that

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listen to this show

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i'm gonna say it man they're all younger

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than me and they

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i i feel i feel old

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i do i don't feel old like i feel

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old what i'm saying is i've always

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have a vision of myself you're you know

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that you're the age that you think you

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i'm look at me i'm surrounded with cool

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rock and roll guitars

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i live a cool lifestyle uh i like to

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think i'm hip young

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and fresh and to the curb and all those

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things

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but but i realize when i

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when i look around i see what's going on

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and i'm happy about it but what about

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the ufo

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research how is that

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different today with this

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new group that's coming in all things

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change

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everything is different it will always

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be different tomorrow

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it's going to be different the day after

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that and then 10 20 30 years from now

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it's going to be different it's not

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going to be the same today

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and it's not the same today as it was in

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1970 1980

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1990 which seems like yesterday but that

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was

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30 years ago so we're going to discuss

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all of that tonight with the one

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and only don schmidt i am your host

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jimmy church

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really looking forward to this

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conversation don is the very best

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what's up i'm chris what up this is

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all right welcome back spade to black i

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am your host jimmy church on the game

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changer network at kg ra the planet

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tonight don schmidt

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tomorrow night jason quit quit

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conspiracy

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number seven thursday night fader night

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with open lines online long but tonight

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it's don schmidt we're going to be

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discussing ufo research

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old school versus new school his new

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book roswell the ultimate cold case

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eyewitness testimony and evidence of

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contact on the cover-up

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co-authored with of course tom carrey

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don is the former co-director of the j

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allen heineck center for the ufo uh

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research

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don schmidt uh in chicago where he

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served as director of special

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investigation for 10 years

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prior to that time he was a special

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investigator for the late

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dr j allen heineken the art director for

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the international ufo reporter

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schmidt graduated from matc with a

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degree in commercial art and graduated

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from concordia university

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with a degree in liberal arts he is

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currently taking graduate courses

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in criminal justice now i'm wondering

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about that

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we

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say hello to don he uh

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he and tom carey is partner of 18 years

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20 years actually have already outlined

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their next writing collaboration on the

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roswell incident of 1947.

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he is the author of hundreds of articles

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about ufos as well as the co-author of

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six best-selling books uh such as the

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ufo crash at roswell the truth about the

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ufo crash at roswell

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written witness to roswell uh the

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revised edition inside the real area 51

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i would like to welcome back to fade to

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black the real don

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schmidt don how are you tonight man

787
00:37:57,510 --> 00:37:56,800
great to be back i'm doing just well

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00:38:01,510 --> 00:37:57,520
thank you i

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i i what uh are you a an attorney now

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you know what no no i'm spending most of

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my time

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writing and uh i i was just looking back

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at my calendar last number of months and

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00:38:16,150 --> 00:38:13,920
certainly we're all in the same boat but

795
00:38:19,510 --> 00:38:16,160
when i think of just a number of

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00:38:21,030 --> 00:38:19,520
lectures that have been postponed and

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00:38:24,390 --> 00:38:21,040
even cancelled

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since march i was you know

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00:38:27,670 --> 00:38:26,800
spending a great deal of time even on

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the road

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00:38:31,670 --> 00:38:29,680
and then we have the international ufo

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museum and research center and

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00:38:35,349 --> 00:38:33,839
we've been uh redoing all of the

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exhibits

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during the shutdown so and i'm on a 45

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acre ranch so

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that in itself is almost a full-time job

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yeah

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what say that again 45 acre ranch

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yes holy crap so love it

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no light pollution you can go out at

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night and check out the visitors

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00:39:03,030 --> 00:38:59,520
in fact that is still my one of my

814
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ultimate plans we have a a barn that we

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made into a party barn

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and we put stairways going up to both

817
00:39:13,750 --> 00:39:11,920
lots and we have live bands on one upper

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00:39:15,030 --> 00:39:13,760
loft then we have a dance floor on the

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other

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and all the seating below and it still

821
00:39:22,870 --> 00:39:19,599
has the old

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00:39:23,990 --> 00:39:22,880
concrete silo and we have already drawn

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00:39:26,630 --> 00:39:24,000
up all the blueprints

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00:39:27,349 --> 00:39:26,640
that's going to be my observatory at

825
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some point

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00:39:34,310 --> 00:39:32,079
hey don uh it sounds like uh

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we need to do a fade to black event at

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your place

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oh that would be phenomenal and in fact

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um

831
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it'd be a first but it would be very

832
00:39:45,430 --> 00:39:43,040
special could we do that

833
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i mean first off it's your house and i

834
00:39:50,230 --> 00:39:47,200
would love to trash the place

835
00:39:51,990 --> 00:39:50,240
yeah but but the second can you see

836
00:39:53,990 --> 00:39:52,000
me and don out there the next day with a

837
00:39:54,870 --> 00:39:54,000
couple of trash bags picking up beer

838
00:39:58,550 --> 00:39:54,880
cans

839
00:40:01,990 --> 00:39:58,560
but uh 45 acres man

840
00:40:03,349 --> 00:40:02,000
we've had 300 people here as far as when

841
00:40:04,630 --> 00:40:03,359
we got married and we've had

842
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anniversaries

843
00:40:08,390 --> 00:40:06,960
and birthday parties and all types of

844
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other affairs so

845
00:40:12,790 --> 00:40:11,040
we're very fortunate very blessed

846
00:40:13,910 --> 00:40:12,800
they're you know there are fader knots

847
00:40:18,309 --> 00:40:13,920
right now

848
00:40:19,349 --> 00:40:18,319
they're doing what types of google

849
00:40:22,390 --> 00:40:19,359
searches right now

850
00:40:25,109 --> 00:40:22,400
they're professionals man

851
00:40:26,710 --> 00:40:25,119
drones hovering uh starting tomorrow i

852
00:40:31,190 --> 00:40:26,720
know

853
00:40:34,550 --> 00:40:31,200
on you yeah yeah exactly

854
00:40:37,589 --> 00:40:34,560
well see the thing is um i'm always

855
00:40:40,230 --> 00:40:37,599
a little uh a little jealous um

856
00:40:41,910 --> 00:40:40,240
in a good way in that i live in the

857
00:40:43,910 --> 00:40:41,920
middle of los angeles right

858
00:40:46,470 --> 00:40:43,920
yes yes i got the worst light pollution

859
00:40:49,349 --> 00:40:46,480
in the world i got the best night vision

860
00:40:50,710 --> 00:40:49,359
gear i've got all the equipment and

861
00:40:52,950 --> 00:40:50,720
binoculars and

862
00:40:53,910 --> 00:40:52,960
things you know i but i can't see

863
00:40:57,510 --> 00:40:53,920
anything

864
00:40:59,910 --> 00:40:57,520
so when when i go to these events

865
00:41:00,870 --> 00:40:59,920
around the country and we're able to go

866
00:41:03,430 --> 00:41:00,880
out and do these sky

867
00:41:05,030 --> 00:41:03,440
watches and things and it's just amazing

868
00:41:06,470 --> 00:41:05,040
and so much fun to get everybody

869
00:41:08,390 --> 00:41:06,480
together and i know

870
00:41:09,670 --> 00:41:08,400
stuff is happening up there in the sky

871
00:41:12,470 --> 00:41:09,680
right but like

872
00:41:13,750 --> 00:41:12,480
grains of sand you know you just the

873
00:41:16,870 --> 00:41:13,760
entire sky

874
00:41:17,190 --> 00:41:16,880
is just solid stars from horizon horizon

875
00:41:20,950 --> 00:41:17,200
just

876
00:41:24,069 --> 00:41:20,960
amazing yeah and then i come back to l.a

877
00:41:26,710 --> 00:41:24,079
that's like one star i got one

878
00:41:28,550 --> 00:41:26,720
on a good night you know what on a good

879
00:41:31,190 --> 00:41:28,560
night we get one star

880
00:41:32,069 --> 00:41:31,200
and it's usually uh what's the brightest

881
00:41:34,069 --> 00:41:32,079
star

882
00:41:35,349 --> 00:41:34,079
in the milky way i'm trying to think of

883
00:41:38,230 --> 00:41:35,359
the name of it

884
00:41:39,349 --> 00:41:38,240
uh well i'm thinking the orion kind well

885
00:41:42,309 --> 00:41:39,359
they're the

886
00:41:44,230 --> 00:41:42,319
the star the star well anyway that's the

887
00:41:47,270 --> 00:41:44,240
star we get here

888
00:41:49,109 --> 00:41:47,280
that's it man everything else you know i

889
00:41:51,670 --> 00:41:49,119
take out the night vision goggles and i

890
00:41:52,790 --> 00:41:51,680
look up and i see what's actually up

891
00:41:55,190 --> 00:41:52,800
there you know uh

892
00:41:55,910 --> 00:41:55,200
going through the light pollution and

893
00:41:58,550 --> 00:41:55,920
and stuff

894
00:41:59,829 --> 00:41:58,560
and the smog and and get to it and

895
00:42:01,589 --> 00:41:59,839
that's what's there and you pull down

896
00:42:01,990 --> 00:42:01,599
the night vision goggles and it's just

897
00:42:05,910 --> 00:42:02,000
nothing

898
00:42:09,109 --> 00:42:05,920
my house and i know

899
00:42:09,430 --> 00:42:09,119
it's there but i can't see it so i think

900
00:42:11,109 --> 00:42:09,440
it's

901
00:42:13,510 --> 00:42:11,119
certainly one of the things that even

902
00:42:17,190 --> 00:42:13,520
attracted me to the subject just living

903
00:42:20,390 --> 00:42:17,200
out in the country and uh you grow up

904
00:42:21,990 --> 00:42:20,400
looking up at the stars i mean in the

905
00:42:23,030 --> 00:42:22,000
city you're looking down on the sidewalk

906
00:42:26,630 --> 00:42:23,040
for loose change

907
00:42:29,190 --> 00:42:26,640
right and um you just every

908
00:42:30,309 --> 00:42:29,200
shooting star and the commentary and as

909
00:42:32,630 --> 00:42:30,319
a little boy

910
00:42:33,990 --> 00:42:32,640
hearing my peers hearing the grown-ups

911
00:42:35,349 --> 00:42:34,000
the teenagers all

912
00:42:37,589 --> 00:42:35,359
you know already letting their

913
00:42:39,589 --> 00:42:37,599
imaginations go wild

914
00:42:41,190 --> 00:42:39,599
and you know what do you think that

915
00:42:41,910 --> 00:42:41,200
might have been and you think that might

916
00:42:44,309 --> 00:42:41,920
have been

917
00:42:44,950 --> 00:42:44,319
one of them that type of thing i loved

918
00:42:47,750 --> 00:42:44,960
it

919
00:42:49,910 --> 00:42:47,760
because you were a participant they were

920
00:42:52,069 --> 00:42:49,920
allowing you to come into their club so

921
00:42:54,950 --> 00:42:52,079
to speak and what were you talking about

922
00:42:58,309 --> 00:42:54,960
flying saucers ufos of all things right

923
00:43:02,790 --> 00:43:01,030
imagine people in the city you know

924
00:43:04,470 --> 00:43:02,800
seeing anything to begin with

925
00:43:06,150 --> 00:43:04,480
and then even coming up you know with

926
00:43:08,230 --> 00:43:06,160
the topic you know out in the country

927
00:43:09,829 --> 00:43:08,240
it was just ready made that's where you

928
00:43:11,990 --> 00:43:09,839
know the everything was happening

929
00:43:14,390 --> 00:43:12,000
yeah somebody just tweeted out uh what's

930
00:43:16,309 --> 00:43:14,400
don's address so i can uh

931
00:43:19,910 --> 00:43:16,319
[Laughter]

932
00:43:22,950 --> 00:43:19,920
so um uh before we get started tonight

933
00:43:26,390 --> 00:43:22,960
uh the news is all about uh

934
00:43:27,990 --> 00:43:26,400
where you are right now uh well not

935
00:43:31,030 --> 00:43:28,000
exactly where you are

936
00:43:34,470 --> 00:43:31,040
are but we're talking about kenosha

937
00:43:36,790 --> 00:43:34,480
um i'm about an hour north of kenosha

938
00:43:37,990 --> 00:43:36,800
you're an hour north and you know i was

939
00:43:41,030 --> 00:43:38,000
born in waukegan

940
00:43:41,670 --> 00:43:41,040
in just across the border yeah just

941
00:43:44,870 --> 00:43:41,680
right there

942
00:43:46,870 --> 00:43:44,880
and and uh it's kind of freaking me out

943
00:43:48,790 --> 00:43:46,880
a little bit because that's a great town

944
00:43:51,990 --> 00:43:48,800
and i spent a lot of time there as a kid

945
00:43:55,349 --> 00:43:52,000
a lot of time there as well yes

946
00:43:56,309 --> 00:43:55,359
uh uh what's going on man so you guys

947
00:43:58,230 --> 00:43:56,319
are safe

948
00:44:00,230 --> 00:43:58,240
what's the what's the climate like

949
00:44:01,910 --> 00:44:00,240
across the state and what are people

950
00:44:04,230 --> 00:44:01,920
saying

951
00:44:06,309 --> 00:44:04,240
well our governor called in the national

952
00:44:08,309 --> 00:44:06,319
guard the very first uh

953
00:44:09,589 --> 00:44:08,319
so you're talking about even sunday

954
00:44:12,790 --> 00:44:09,599
evening already

955
00:44:16,390 --> 00:44:12,800
and as a result just their presence

956
00:44:17,109 --> 00:44:16,400
has prevented it from escalating beyond

957
00:44:19,670 --> 00:44:17,119
you know the

958
00:44:21,349 --> 00:44:19,680
the downtown area but unfortunately

959
00:44:25,030 --> 00:44:21,359
there already has been

960
00:44:28,550 --> 00:44:25,040
a tremendous amount of destruction

961
00:44:29,589 --> 00:44:28,560
and a number of car dealerships for

962
00:44:33,670 --> 00:44:29,599
example that i

963
00:44:35,990 --> 00:44:33,680
you know even familiar with are gone

964
00:44:37,589 --> 00:44:36,000
they practically torched every car in

965
00:44:40,790 --> 00:44:37,599
the showrooms

966
00:44:42,069 --> 00:44:40,800
and it the saddest thing is that it's

967
00:44:44,069 --> 00:44:42,079
always the innocent

968
00:44:45,750 --> 00:44:44,079
the people that are just trying to get

969
00:44:47,589 --> 00:44:45,760
through this whole situation

970
00:44:49,589 --> 00:44:47,599
and you know maintain their their

971
00:44:51,589 --> 00:44:49,599
businesses and their ways of life

972
00:44:53,109 --> 00:44:51,599
and it isn't just the the owners of

973
00:44:54,550 --> 00:44:53,119
these businesses but now all the

974
00:44:57,349 --> 00:44:54,560
employees

975
00:44:58,550 --> 00:44:57,359
that are also out on the street uh

976
00:45:01,910 --> 00:44:58,560
jobless

977
00:45:05,510 --> 00:45:01,920
so uh there's there's just so much

978
00:45:08,630 --> 00:45:05,520
you know self-centered uh thought

979
00:45:10,230 --> 00:45:08,640
process sees in all this that never

980
00:45:12,069 --> 00:45:10,240
thinks about what about tomorrow what

981
00:45:15,109 --> 00:45:12,079
about the next guy what about the other

982
00:45:17,190 --> 00:45:15,119
the guy that my actions may may affect

983
00:45:18,790 --> 00:45:17,200
my influence and no matter what your

984
00:45:21,670 --> 00:45:18,800
cause your rights still

985
00:45:22,710 --> 00:45:21,680
end where the other person's nose begins

986
00:45:27,349 --> 00:45:22,720
yeah that's right

987
00:45:31,510 --> 00:45:27,359
and uh we we've experienced

988
00:45:35,190 --> 00:45:31,520
uh so much across this country

989
00:45:38,589 --> 00:45:35,200
in in 2020 and without going down

990
00:45:42,950 --> 00:45:38,599
the list because the list is long um

991
00:45:44,950 --> 00:45:42,960
2020 is is definitely going to be a year

992
00:45:48,309 --> 00:45:44,960
that we will never forget

993
00:45:51,030 --> 00:45:48,319
and you know no you're right when when

994
00:45:53,030 --> 00:45:51,040
uh this is this is what i was always

995
00:45:56,150 --> 00:45:53,040
fascinated about

996
00:45:57,030 --> 00:45:56,160
growing up listening to elders around me

997
00:46:00,950 --> 00:45:57,040
talk

998
00:46:01,430 --> 00:46:00,960
when uh like uh december 7th rolls

999
00:46:03,750 --> 00:46:01,440
around

1000
00:46:04,630 --> 00:46:03,760
right pearl harbor pearl harbor right

1001
00:46:09,670 --> 00:46:04,640
and

1002
00:46:11,829 --> 00:46:09,680
about that well i wasn't there for that

1003
00:46:14,069 --> 00:46:11,839
i don't understand the impact of it i

1004
00:46:14,950 --> 00:46:14,079
wasn't around for it i can read about it

1005
00:46:17,190 --> 00:46:14,960
i can watch

1006
00:46:19,750 --> 00:46:17,200
the the films but i wasn't there for

1007
00:46:22,069 --> 00:46:19,760
that i was born in 63. so i

1008
00:46:22,790 --> 00:46:22,079
wasn't here for jfk's assassination i

1009
00:46:25,990 --> 00:46:22,800
was a

1010
00:46:27,670 --> 00:46:26,000
barely a month old uh when that happened

1011
00:46:29,270 --> 00:46:27,680
so i wasn't around for that i wasn't

1012
00:46:30,870 --> 00:46:29,280
around for martin luther king i wasn't

1013
00:46:33,589 --> 00:46:30,880
around for the detroit

1014
00:46:34,870 --> 00:46:33,599
riots i wasn't around for chicago or the

1015
00:46:37,430 --> 00:46:34,880
l.a riots and

1016
00:46:38,390 --> 00:46:37,440
watts i wasn't around for any of that

1017
00:46:42,309 --> 00:46:38,400
and

1018
00:46:45,270 --> 00:46:42,319
people

1019
00:46:46,390 --> 00:46:45,280
talking about it with with that emotion

1020
00:46:48,309 --> 00:46:46,400
with that emotion

1021
00:46:50,950 --> 00:46:48,319
and even with tears in their eyes

1022
00:46:53,270 --> 00:46:50,960
because it has left such a profound

1023
00:46:54,550 --> 00:46:53,280
impact on their very psyche yep and here

1024
00:46:57,750 --> 00:46:54,560
we never forget

1025
00:46:58,230 --> 00:46:57,760
that's right that's right and now uh i

1026
00:47:00,790 --> 00:46:58,240
know

1027
00:47:02,790 --> 00:47:00,800
that 10 or 20 years from now i'm gonna

1028
00:47:05,510 --> 00:47:02,800
have somebody young come up to me and

1029
00:47:08,309 --> 00:47:05,520
ask me about 2020. were you there

1030
00:47:08,950 --> 00:47:08,319
you know what what happened and i don't

1031
00:47:10,710 --> 00:47:08,960
want to be

1032
00:47:12,230 --> 00:47:10,720
a part of that but that's that's what

1033
00:47:13,589 --> 00:47:12,240
we're living through right now we're

1034
00:47:17,030 --> 00:47:13,599
living through

1035
00:47:19,109 --> 00:47:17,040
uh a crazy historical moment for so

1036
00:47:20,470 --> 00:47:19,119
many different reasons it's not just

1037
00:47:22,630 --> 00:47:20,480
coronavirus

1038
00:47:25,349 --> 00:47:22,640
everyone affected differently yes yes

1039
00:47:27,430 --> 00:47:25,359
it's it's it's it's the racial divide

1040
00:47:29,829 --> 00:47:27,440
it's the republican democrat

1041
00:47:30,630 --> 00:47:29,839
divide it's the economy and the loss of

1042
00:47:32,549 --> 00:47:30,640
jobs and

1043
00:47:33,670 --> 00:47:32,559
shutting down world economies and what

1044
00:47:36,710 --> 00:47:33,680
happened around the world

1045
00:47:37,430 --> 00:47:36,720
it's it's it's so many different things

1046
00:47:39,910 --> 00:47:37,440
that on

1047
00:47:41,030 --> 00:47:39,920
any other year don it would have been a

1048
00:47:43,109 --> 00:47:41,040
huge event

1049
00:47:44,390 --> 00:47:43,119
but we're having it all happen at the

1050
00:47:47,589 --> 00:47:44,400
same time

1051
00:47:51,190 --> 00:47:47,599
of

1052
00:47:51,990 --> 00:47:51,200
many months even more it appears more

1053
00:47:54,950 --> 00:47:52,000
and more likely

1054
00:47:55,589 --> 00:47:54,960
a year or even more whereas the other

1055
00:47:58,390 --> 00:47:55,599
events

1056
00:47:58,950 --> 00:47:58,400
you you mentioned they were a one-time

1057
00:48:02,710 --> 00:47:58,960
incident

1058
00:48:03,990 --> 00:48:02,720
three days yes yeah jfk you know within

1059
00:48:07,349 --> 00:48:04,000
just a matter of

1060
00:48:07,990 --> 00:48:07,359
seconds you know you know change the

1061
00:48:11,430 --> 00:48:08,000
world

1062
00:48:14,630 --> 00:48:11,440
and i i often point out in

1063
00:48:16,549 --> 00:48:14,640
deference to those who you'll question

1064
00:48:19,270 --> 00:48:16,559
as far as as we get into the

1065
00:48:21,190 --> 00:48:19,280
the topic for the evening uh the old

1066
00:48:24,630 --> 00:48:21,200
order versus the new that type of thing

1067
00:48:25,349 --> 00:48:24,640
right and so often we the the young

1068
00:48:28,069 --> 00:48:25,359
people they

1069
00:48:29,030 --> 00:48:28,079
question the wisdom the memory the

1070
00:48:32,150 --> 00:48:29,040
recall

1071
00:48:34,870 --> 00:48:32,160
of older people and yet

1072
00:48:35,990 --> 00:48:34,880
as they themselves get older they will

1073
00:48:39,349 --> 00:48:36,000
realize

1074
00:48:41,109 --> 00:48:39,359
just as remembering 2020 that those of

1075
00:48:44,549 --> 00:48:41,119
us for example who were alive

1076
00:48:47,589 --> 00:48:44,559
on november 22 of 1963

1077
00:48:48,069 --> 00:48:47,599
and we will remember for the rest of our

1078
00:48:50,710 --> 00:48:48,079
lives

1079
00:48:51,430 --> 00:48:50,720
exactly where we were and what we were

1080
00:48:54,950 --> 00:48:51,440
doing

1081
00:48:57,510 --> 00:48:54,960
and what our first thoughts were

1082
00:48:58,390 --> 00:48:57,520
and that entire weekend you know as far

1083
00:49:01,109 --> 00:48:58,400
as uh

1084
00:49:02,150 --> 00:49:01,119
of putting laying a president to rest as

1085
00:49:04,309 --> 00:49:02,160
far as uh

1086
00:49:05,270 --> 00:49:04,319
in arlington cemetery that type of thing

1087
00:49:07,349 --> 00:49:05,280
right and yet

1088
00:49:09,510 --> 00:49:07,359
we weren't there i wasn't there i wasn't

1089
00:49:12,549 --> 00:49:09,520
in dealey plaza i wasn't in dallas

1090
00:49:14,390 --> 00:49:12,559
at that time i was an observer

1091
00:49:15,589 --> 00:49:14,400
and that's what really brought

1092
00:49:19,510 --> 00:49:15,599
television into

1093
00:49:20,630 --> 00:49:19,520
our living rooms in such a monumental

1094
00:49:24,230 --> 00:49:20,640
fashion

1095
00:49:25,349 --> 00:49:24,240
that it truly demonstrated the power of

1096
00:49:28,150 --> 00:49:25,359
tv

1097
00:49:30,150 --> 00:49:28,160
and as a result it's my argument that i

1098
00:49:33,109 --> 00:49:30,160
i continue to use that

1099
00:49:33,910 --> 00:49:33,119
specifically with roswell and older ufo

1100
00:49:36,710 --> 00:49:33,920
cases

1101
00:49:37,910 --> 00:49:36,720
well their memories have faded no no no

1102
00:49:41,109 --> 00:49:37,920
no no sorry

1103
00:49:43,829 --> 00:49:41,119
when it's a and a profound incident

1104
00:49:44,390 --> 00:49:43,839
that leaves you know that indelible as

1105
00:49:47,990 --> 00:49:44,400
far as

1106
00:49:51,270 --> 00:49:48,000
mark on their very subconscious it is as

1107
00:49:53,990 --> 00:49:51,280
real today as it was when it happened 40

1108
00:49:55,030 --> 00:49:54,000
50 60 70 years ago because you have

1109
00:49:57,030 --> 00:49:55,040
never forgotten it

1110
00:49:58,150 --> 00:49:57,040
you you refresh your memory because you

1111
00:49:59,829 --> 00:49:58,160
think about it every day

1112
00:50:02,630 --> 00:49:59,839
it's like betty hill the betty bernie

1113
00:50:04,870 --> 00:50:02,640
hill incident when she would say

1114
00:50:06,790 --> 00:50:04,880
it was the first thing i think about

1115
00:50:08,630 --> 00:50:06,800
every morning when i get up

1116
00:50:10,069 --> 00:50:08,640
and it's the last thing i think about

1117
00:50:14,630 --> 00:50:10,079
every night when i go to bed

1118
00:50:16,870 --> 00:50:14,640
right and the uh that's actually a

1119
00:50:19,349 --> 00:50:16,880
brilliant segue thank you for tossing me

1120
00:50:21,030 --> 00:50:19,359
the softball that was really well done

1121
00:50:22,390 --> 00:50:21,040
uh thank you well we rehearsed that all

1122
00:50:26,790 --> 00:50:22,400
week yes uh

1123
00:50:28,390 --> 00:50:26,800
we have actually um is is that um

1124
00:50:30,950 --> 00:50:28,400
if you don't mind me i'm just gonna

1125
00:50:34,069 --> 00:50:30,960
mention this um i'm not sure

1126
00:50:37,430 --> 00:50:34,079
exactly when but

1127
00:50:41,030 --> 00:50:37,440
uh uh probably five or six years ago

1128
00:50:43,670 --> 00:50:41,040
you and i uh were sitting uh

1129
00:50:44,630 --> 00:50:43,680
and talking privately and one of the

1130
00:50:47,910 --> 00:50:44,640
things

1131
00:50:49,030 --> 00:50:47,920
the subject that we talked about for for

1132
00:50:52,150 --> 00:50:49,040
quite a while

1133
00:50:55,270 --> 00:50:52,160
that afternoon was old school

1134
00:50:56,870 --> 00:50:55,280
versus new school uh ufo research and

1135
00:50:58,870 --> 00:50:56,880
who was attending

1136
00:51:00,710 --> 00:50:58,880
the conferences and what the future was

1137
00:51:03,270 --> 00:51:00,720
going to be like for ufology now

1138
00:51:05,030 --> 00:51:03,280
not to go back and rehash or even

1139
00:51:07,349 --> 00:51:05,040
attempt to remember

1140
00:51:08,790 --> 00:51:07,359
uh what we talked about but that is the

1141
00:51:10,630 --> 00:51:08,800
subject tonight

1142
00:51:12,230 --> 00:51:10,640
you were very passionate about it

1143
00:51:13,349 --> 00:51:12,240
because i'm passionate too and we had a

1144
00:51:16,470 --> 00:51:13,359
great conversation

1145
00:51:18,309 --> 00:51:16,480
yes yes i certainly remember but what uh

1146
00:51:19,910 --> 00:51:18,319
what is interesting about that

1147
00:51:23,510 --> 00:51:19,920
conversation that we had

1148
00:51:26,870 --> 00:51:23,520
back then and where we actually

1149
00:51:28,069 --> 00:51:26,880
are today with the ufo question in the

1150
00:51:31,270 --> 00:51:28,079
ufo community

1151
00:51:31,750 --> 00:51:31,280
and how things have actually started to

1152
00:51:34,549 --> 00:51:31,760
change

1153
00:51:36,150 --> 00:51:34,559
right in front of us very interesting

1154
00:51:42,950 --> 00:51:36,160
how do you think

1155
00:51:47,750 --> 00:51:42,960
changed take us back to

1156
00:51:50,950 --> 00:51:47,760
uh you know take us back to 1980 1985

1157
00:51:52,710 --> 00:51:50,960
through that period how were you

1158
00:51:54,549 --> 00:51:52,720
approaching things you know you're

1159
00:51:57,910 --> 00:51:54,559
working with heineken

1160
00:51:58,870 --> 00:51:57,920
and and roswell is there and further

1161
00:52:01,190 --> 00:51:58,880
roswell

1162
00:52:02,950 --> 00:52:01,200
research is on the horizon but you

1163
00:52:06,309 --> 00:52:02,960
didn't have the internet

1164
00:52:09,030 --> 00:52:06,319
you didn't you had to you literally

1165
00:52:10,230 --> 00:52:09,040
had to write things down you had to have

1166
00:52:13,750 --> 00:52:10,240
a camera with you

1167
00:52:16,870 --> 00:52:13,760
right you had to and a tape recorder

1168
00:52:17,670 --> 00:52:16,880
and a car right well right uh and we

1169
00:52:20,950 --> 00:52:17,680
made every

1170
00:52:23,750 --> 00:52:20,960
attempt to interview witnesses

1171
00:52:24,790 --> 00:52:23,760
firsthand first personally uh we didn't

1172
00:52:28,230 --> 00:52:24,800
trust

1173
00:52:29,750 --> 00:52:28,240
um the response we would get over the

1174
00:52:32,150 --> 00:52:29,760
phone

1175
00:52:34,549 --> 00:52:32,160
a skype would you know serve as the next

1176
00:52:36,710 --> 00:52:34,559
best thing to actually being there

1177
00:52:38,150 --> 00:52:36,720
but nonetheless we wanted to be able to

1178
00:52:41,349 --> 00:52:38,160
look into the person's

1179
00:52:44,309 --> 00:52:41,359
eyes we wanted to be able to read

1180
00:52:45,990 --> 00:52:44,319
as far as between the lines we want to

1181
00:52:48,710 --> 00:52:46,000
observe every

1182
00:52:50,230 --> 00:52:48,720
the slightest nuance as far as what they

1183
00:52:53,349 --> 00:52:50,240
were describing their

1184
00:52:56,150 --> 00:52:53,359
their their body language

1185
00:52:56,549 --> 00:52:56,160
uh you know the way they might hem and

1186
00:52:57,990 --> 00:52:56,559
all

1187
00:52:59,990 --> 00:52:58,000
and if they were contradicting

1188
00:53:03,190 --> 00:53:00,000
themselves certainly but these were all

1189
00:53:06,470 --> 00:53:03,200
things that were drilled into us

1190
00:53:07,270 --> 00:53:06,480
especially by dr heineck and in heinek's

1191
00:53:09,670 --> 00:53:07,280
case coming

1192
00:53:13,430 --> 00:53:09,680
off a project blue book and consultant

1193
00:53:15,829 --> 00:53:13,440
from 1952 through 1969

1194
00:53:17,589 --> 00:53:15,839
and working as with the first director

1195
00:53:20,390 --> 00:53:17,599
of blue but captain edward rupel

1196
00:53:21,990 --> 00:53:20,400
where they really wanted to go after the

1197
00:53:23,829 --> 00:53:22,000
nuts and bolts

1198
00:53:25,589 --> 00:53:23,839
and heineken is an astronomer he had

1199
00:53:27,510 --> 00:53:25,599
such a difficult time in

1200
00:53:29,030 --> 00:53:27,520
wrestling with the vast distances

1201
00:53:32,309 --> 00:53:29,040
between a and b

1202
00:53:36,150 --> 00:53:32,319
he just you know had just it was

1203
00:53:38,950 --> 00:53:36,160
to him almost astronomically impossible

1204
00:53:39,349 --> 00:53:38,960
that a physical crap could travel those

1205
00:53:42,309 --> 00:53:39,359
those

1206
00:53:44,390 --> 00:53:42,319
vast distances and yet he had to concede

1207
00:53:45,990 --> 00:53:44,400
he had to accept the fact that we were

1208
00:53:48,150 --> 00:53:46,000
dealing with a phenomenon

1209
00:53:49,510 --> 00:53:48,160
that would swirl grass and leave

1210
00:53:52,589 --> 00:53:49,520
depressions in the ground

1211
00:53:54,870 --> 00:53:52,599
and track down radar and leave

1212
00:53:57,589 --> 00:53:54,880
physiological as far as effects on

1213
00:53:59,910 --> 00:53:57,599
witnesses burns and conjunctivitis to

1214
00:54:02,309 --> 00:53:59,920
their eyes and that type of thing

1215
00:54:03,670 --> 00:54:02,319
electromagnetic effects on cars and

1216
00:54:06,950 --> 00:54:03,680
planes and so

1217
00:54:10,870 --> 00:54:06,960
there was a clear interaction with an an

1218
00:54:13,270 --> 00:54:10,880
actual phenomenon and as a result

1219
00:54:15,030 --> 00:54:13,280
you were never left with anything aside

1220
00:54:17,190 --> 00:54:15,040
from roswell

1221
00:54:19,109 --> 00:54:17,200
but you you had nothing you could take

1222
00:54:20,309 --> 00:54:19,119
into a lab there was nothing that you

1223
00:54:22,470 --> 00:54:20,319
could take and

1224
00:54:23,589 --> 00:54:22,480
attempt to reverse engineer and break

1225
00:54:25,589 --> 00:54:23,599
down and try to

1226
00:54:28,069 --> 00:54:25,599
find the odd button see what makes this

1227
00:54:31,109 --> 00:54:28,079
thing you know fly that type of thing

1228
00:54:34,630 --> 00:54:31,119
so you're it was a people phenomenon

1229
00:54:37,589 --> 00:54:34,640
you were dealing with eyewitnesses and

1230
00:54:39,589 --> 00:54:37,599
through the late 40s 50s 60s up until

1231
00:54:42,390 --> 00:54:39,599
the close of blue book

1232
00:54:43,750 --> 00:54:42,400
you were dealing strictly i mean a

1233
00:54:47,670 --> 00:54:43,760
hundred percent

1234
00:54:51,030 --> 00:54:47,680
with a people phenomenon and as a result

1235
00:54:53,750 --> 00:54:51,040
people developed their mindset

1236
00:54:54,870 --> 00:54:53,760
they developed pet theories everything

1237
00:54:57,270 --> 00:54:54,880
was pristine

1238
00:54:57,990 --> 00:54:57,280
everything was virgin territory at that

1239
00:55:00,789 --> 00:54:58,000
time

1240
00:55:01,670 --> 00:55:00,799
and as a result whether it was the air

1241
00:55:05,349 --> 00:55:01,680
force

1242
00:55:06,309 --> 00:55:05,359
or even the civilian investigation such

1243
00:55:09,910 --> 00:55:06,319
as nycap

1244
00:55:12,390 --> 00:55:09,920
and april and eventually mufon and then

1245
00:55:13,510 --> 00:55:12,400
kufo's dr heineck's group which i belong

1246
00:55:20,470 --> 00:55:13,520
to

1247
00:55:22,470 --> 00:55:20,480
evidentiary testimony

1248
00:55:23,910 --> 00:55:22,480
our evidence that we were taken to a

1249
00:55:27,589 --> 00:55:23,920
court of law almost

1250
00:55:29,589 --> 00:55:27,599
99 an eyewitness testimony

1251
00:55:31,829 --> 00:55:29,599
now mind you the same type of testimony

1252
00:55:34,150 --> 00:55:31,839
that would put a person away for life

1253
00:55:35,270 --> 00:55:34,160
uh potentially put someone as far as on

1254
00:55:37,750 --> 00:55:35,280
a death row

1255
00:55:40,069 --> 00:55:37,760
but nonetheless we were dealing with a

1256
00:55:42,549 --> 00:55:40,079
phenomena that did not cooperate

1257
00:55:43,430 --> 00:55:42,559
it was very late night very rural very

1258
00:55:45,510 --> 00:55:43,440
isolated

1259
00:55:47,349 --> 00:55:45,520
and as a result more times than not we

1260
00:55:50,150 --> 00:55:47,359
had single witnesses

1261
00:55:51,270 --> 00:55:50,160
lone witnesses so it made an

1262
00:55:52,950 --> 00:55:51,280
investigation

1263
00:55:54,630 --> 00:55:52,960
you know rather simple because you only

1264
00:55:55,990 --> 00:55:54,640
had to talk to one or two people at the

1265
00:55:58,150 --> 00:55:56,000
most

1266
00:55:59,510 --> 00:55:58,160
now was it the same and dom before we

1267
00:56:03,109 --> 00:55:59,520
get to the break let me get this

1268
00:56:05,829 --> 00:56:03,119
in was it i understand your approach

1269
00:56:06,950 --> 00:56:05,839
and and jay allen hynix you know getting

1270
00:56:10,150 --> 00:56:06,960
out there

1271
00:56:12,390 --> 00:56:10,160
uh to the scene uh uh uh talking to

1272
00:56:12,950 --> 00:56:12,400
witnesses getting drawings and pictures

1273
00:56:14,630 --> 00:56:12,960
and

1274
00:56:16,789 --> 00:56:14,640
collecting all of the evidence that you

1275
00:56:17,829 --> 00:56:16,799
can i understand the way that you

1276
00:56:19,349 --> 00:56:17,839
approached it

1277
00:56:21,990 --> 00:56:19,359
and that's the way that it had to get

1278
00:56:24,630 --> 00:56:22,000
done was it the same

1279
00:56:27,109 --> 00:56:24,640
you know generally speaking for all of

1280
00:56:30,069 --> 00:56:27,119
the ufo researchers around the country

1281
00:56:30,870 --> 00:56:30,079
were they doing the same uh methodical

1282
00:56:32,870 --> 00:56:30,880
uh

1283
00:56:34,390 --> 00:56:32,880
research that getting in their car

1284
00:56:37,430 --> 00:56:34,400
grabbing a camera

1285
00:56:39,829 --> 00:56:37,440
a pencil and paper and a recorder and

1286
00:56:40,630 --> 00:56:39,839
and going out and and meeting and

1287
00:56:44,230 --> 00:56:40,640
driving

1288
00:56:45,270 --> 00:56:44,240
to the the scene where these events were

1289
00:56:47,430 --> 00:56:45,280
occurring

1290
00:56:49,030 --> 00:56:47,440
quickly there were two camps of approach

1291
00:56:51,750 --> 00:56:49,040
at that time

1292
00:56:52,309 --> 00:56:51,760
as you described the the gumshoe almost

1293
00:56:54,710 --> 00:56:52,319
like the

1294
00:56:56,150 --> 00:56:54,720
the cop on the street type of thing that

1295
00:56:56,789 --> 00:56:56,160
you had a return to the scene of the

1296
00:56:59,109 --> 00:56:56,799
crime

1297
00:56:59,990 --> 00:56:59,119
you brought the witnesses back to the

1298
00:57:02,309 --> 00:57:00,000
actual

1299
00:57:04,069 --> 00:57:02,319
location of the event and you then

1300
00:57:05,990 --> 00:57:04,079
attempted to recreate it

1301
00:57:07,190 --> 00:57:06,000
through their eyes and then through your

1302
00:57:10,309 --> 00:57:07,200
perception

1303
00:57:12,870 --> 00:57:10,319
and as a result it gave us

1304
00:57:13,430 --> 00:57:12,880
a major vantage point and that we could

1305
00:57:16,069 --> 00:57:13,440
personally

1306
00:57:17,270 --> 00:57:16,079
speak for such cases we were there we we

1307
00:57:20,390 --> 00:57:17,280
were to exeter

1308
00:57:22,549 --> 00:57:20,400
we were to uh as far as certain

1309
00:57:23,829 --> 00:57:22,559
air base facilities sac based we were to

1310
00:57:25,990 --> 00:57:23,839
roswell that type of thing

1311
00:57:27,750 --> 00:57:26,000
we were to socorro we were the edwards

1312
00:57:31,030 --> 00:57:27,760
air force base that type of thing

1313
00:57:32,230 --> 00:57:31,040
we placed ourselves in the very position

1314
00:57:34,630 --> 00:57:32,240
of the witnesses

1315
00:57:35,430 --> 00:57:34,640
but then the other camp were the writers

1316
00:57:37,510 --> 00:57:35,440
the authors

1317
00:57:38,630 --> 00:57:37,520
the ones who basically just sat you know

1318
00:57:40,309 --> 00:57:38,640
at their desks

1319
00:57:41,829 --> 00:57:40,319
and they collected stories they

1320
00:57:43,270 --> 00:57:41,839
collected information they spent a lot

1321
00:57:45,589 --> 00:57:43,280
of time on the phone

1322
00:57:47,190 --> 00:57:45,599
and they would write up these accounts

1323
00:57:50,309 --> 00:57:47,200
and i think both

1324
00:57:53,829 --> 00:57:50,319
served a major purpose because if not

1325
00:57:56,390 --> 00:57:53,839
for the in the field investigators

1326
00:57:57,510 --> 00:57:56,400
these writers would have had no material

1327
00:57:59,750 --> 00:57:57,520
they had to draw

1328
00:58:01,270 --> 00:57:59,760
as far as from the actual reports of

1329
00:58:03,510 --> 00:58:01,280
those who were willing to

1330
00:58:04,549 --> 00:58:03,520
to take the time to actually go out into

1331
00:58:07,030 --> 00:58:04,559
the trenches

1332
00:58:07,589 --> 00:58:07,040
go out onto the battlefield so to speak

1333
00:58:12,150 --> 00:58:07,599
and

1334
00:58:15,190 --> 00:58:12,160
make

1335
00:58:16,789 --> 00:58:15,200
as far as an intelligent uh decision as

1336
00:58:19,349 --> 00:58:16,799
to what we were dealing with

1337
00:58:21,030 --> 00:58:19,359
i'm looking at a picture of you and i

1338
00:58:22,390 --> 00:58:21,040
somebody just posted this on twitter

1339
00:58:25,430 --> 00:58:22,400
thank you lisa

1340
00:58:28,710 --> 00:58:25,440
there's a picture don

1341
00:58:29,670 --> 00:58:28,720
of you and i this is like seven years

1342
00:58:33,829 --> 00:58:29,680
ago

1343
00:58:36,470 --> 00:58:33,839
it's you and i and jesse marcel

1344
00:58:38,470 --> 00:58:36,480
yes the the third that's the third right

1345
00:58:41,990 --> 00:58:38,480
yeah just to the third

1346
00:58:43,430 --> 00:58:42,000
uh doing an interview outside of the

1347
00:58:47,910 --> 00:58:43,440
men's room

1348
00:58:50,549 --> 00:58:47,920
yes it's a classic picture because

1349
00:58:53,670 --> 00:58:50,559
what's so funny about it is uh i mean

1350
00:58:57,349 --> 00:58:55,910
yeah yeah yeah yeah the friggin men's

1351
00:59:00,390 --> 00:58:57,359
room sign

1352
00:59:01,750 --> 00:59:00,400
is right above our heads and uh it's

1353
00:59:04,390 --> 00:59:01,760
precious man

1354
00:59:04,950 --> 00:59:04,400
this is it doesn't get any more classic

1355
00:59:07,510 --> 00:59:04,960
than that

1356
00:59:09,109 --> 00:59:07,520
and i remember that i remember uh when

1357
00:59:11,349 --> 00:59:09,119
this was taken it was uh

1358
00:59:12,309 --> 00:59:11,359
it was at night it's like nine o'clock

1359
00:59:14,309 --> 00:59:12,319
at night

1360
00:59:15,750 --> 00:59:14,319
but you can see in the picture you and i

1361
00:59:17,990 --> 00:59:15,760
are sweating

1362
00:59:19,750 --> 00:59:18,000
oh we were all rushing in between you

1363
00:59:20,309 --> 00:59:19,760
know separate gigs and interviews and

1364
00:59:23,109 --> 00:59:20,319
everything

1365
00:59:23,750 --> 00:59:23,119
it was yeah it was nine o'clock at night

1366
00:59:29,030 --> 00:59:23,760
it was like

1367
00:59:30,230 --> 00:59:29,040
remember this picture it's a great

1368
00:59:33,430 --> 00:59:30,240
picture oh

1369
00:59:36,069 --> 00:59:33,440
man i i haven't seen it in members

1370
00:59:36,710 --> 00:59:36,079
i remember i haven't seen it in years um

1371
00:59:39,910 --> 00:59:36,720
now

1372
00:59:41,670 --> 00:59:39,920
uh when we come back after the break um

1373
00:59:43,270 --> 00:59:41,680
i want to continue this part of the

1374
00:59:46,309 --> 00:59:43,280
discussion but

1375
00:59:49,510 --> 00:59:46,319
uh going back to the way that

1376
00:59:51,430 --> 00:59:49,520
the the military and specifically the

1377
00:59:54,150 --> 00:59:51,440
army and the air force

1378
00:59:56,150 --> 00:59:54,160
how they were approaching things back

1379
00:59:58,549 --> 00:59:56,160
then and then we'll start to move into

1380
01:00:00,230 --> 00:59:58,559
today all right so stay right there don

1381
01:00:01,109 --> 01:00:00,240
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01:00:03,750 --> 01:00:01,119
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01:00:05,829 --> 01:00:03,760
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01:00:11,510 --> 01:00:09,920
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01:00:14,789 --> 01:00:13,280
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01:00:15,589 --> 01:00:14,799
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01:00:18,950 --> 01:00:15,599
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01:00:41,190 --> 01:00:33,050
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welcome back paid to black i am your

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host jimmy church tonight don schmidt

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always great when don stops by for a

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visit tomorrow night jason quit

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quit conspiracy number seven

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thursday night's another freighter night

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with open lines all night long hey don

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one of these

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nights um we've got to uh we've got to

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have you on the show

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and and you can help me man the phones

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and take phone calls all night long

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i'd love that yeah that would that would

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be great and you know i know that you've

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got to get your sleep and

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and you've got all my beauty sleep

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you've got to get that in you got to

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take care of things but

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but that would be awesome i would really

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enjoy that

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oh by all means you uh let's uh confirm

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something over the next few days

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set up a date yeah it'd be great man

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help me in you know it's it's really

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funny uh

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for me uh i in in the article that i

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wrote today

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uh for the telepath where i i mentioned

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you've been doing this for for such a

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long time now it's it's hard to believe

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that uh i look at 1980

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as yesterday right i i look at 1990 as

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yesterday i don't see

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and then you know you talk about 2000 i

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can't believe that we're in the year

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2020

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and we're 30 40 years

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you know it it it doesn't sit right with

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me

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and then this is what i wrote about

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today

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all right and and you're going to

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appreciate this in that

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fade to black allows me

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and and coast to coast of course um

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allows me

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to sit for three or four hours a night

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and engage in conversation with somebody

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without the distractions

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of of social media or the news or

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anything else

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and and and i learn it's like going to

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school

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and i've been doing it for so long now

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with thousands of shows and things that

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and and i see how i have changed

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me personally and and you

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have to have gone through the same thing

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with the yeah the don schmidt before jay

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allen heineck

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and roswell and the journey

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that you have gone through how have you

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changed

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well i think so much of it

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as influenced by heinek and others of

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his ilk

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and he would always for example heineken

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would always tell us never lose that

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little boy wonderment

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and he was you know in his essence

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whenever he could actually be out in the

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field

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and i i i i find

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that as i get older i like to believe

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i'm not slowing down at all the only

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thing that has slowed me down

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this year is the same thing that is

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impacting all of us

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but nonetheless i'm i find myself then

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approaching other avenues not of um

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of interest as much as okay i need to be

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ready once they open the door again once

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the gates are open i'm going to be all

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set

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to hit the road running so to speak and

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what i especially have taken away

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through the years

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is you only get to do this once

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you only get one chance to get it right

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and one of the the the sad things about

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ufology is

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that we we so often we eat our own we

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eat our own

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we're not willing to uh you know give

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people second chances and i and god

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01:09:29,990 --> 01:09:28,880
knows i've had second third and fourth

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chances

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so i'm tremendously appreciative of that

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01:09:36,870 --> 01:09:36,080
but it's always with that with that

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01:09:40,630 --> 01:09:36,880
strive

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to get it correct and as i so often have

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said if any one of us

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01:09:49,110 --> 01:09:45,279
succeeds wins this race

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01:09:49,829 --> 01:09:49,120
we all win just want to be in the race i

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just and that's

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that's what i've learned that it's one

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01:09:57,270 --> 01:09:54,560
thing to be humble it's one thing to

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01:09:59,830 --> 01:09:57,280
even at times be on the sideline

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and just encourage and root somebody

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01:10:02,630 --> 01:10:01,920
else on with the baton you know now it's

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01:10:05,350 --> 01:10:02,640
your chance

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01:10:06,630 --> 01:10:05,360
go for it but i still want to be at the

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01:10:09,669 --> 01:10:06,640
finish line

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01:10:11,910 --> 01:10:09,679
and so as long as you're moving forward

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01:10:12,630 --> 01:10:11,920
and you may be going in circles you may

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01:10:15,110 --> 01:10:12,640
be

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01:10:16,550 --> 01:10:15,120
it's never in a linear line never life

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01:10:19,350 --> 01:10:16,560
is never as

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01:10:19,990 --> 01:10:19,360
as as a straight arrow as we would like

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01:10:22,310 --> 01:10:20,000
it to be

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01:10:25,030 --> 01:10:22,320
but as long as those circles are still

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01:10:27,430 --> 01:10:25,040
moving forward

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01:10:28,709 --> 01:10:27,440
you're making progress and i think every

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01:10:32,229 --> 01:10:28,719
day i feel

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01:10:35,189 --> 01:10:32,239
that i'm making progress i feel that

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01:10:36,310 --> 01:10:35,199
i'm getting closer and in the past when

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01:10:39,430 --> 01:10:36,320
i would say

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01:10:39,910 --> 01:10:39,440
not in my lifetime i'm feeling more and

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01:10:42,070 --> 01:10:39,920
more

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01:10:43,430 --> 01:10:42,080
well i think there's a chance there is a

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01:10:44,709 --> 01:10:43,440
chance that we're going to solve this

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01:10:45,510 --> 01:10:44,719
that we're going to come up with a

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01:10:48,550 --> 01:10:45,520
solution

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01:10:51,590 --> 01:10:48,560
while i'm still around the

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01:10:55,350 --> 01:10:51,600
the climate certainly has changed

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01:10:57,189 --> 01:10:55,360
and and i see it i feel it uh where we

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01:11:00,470 --> 01:10:57,199
are today in 2020

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01:11:01,430 --> 01:11:00,480
um it's it seems like it it's right in

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01:11:04,790 --> 01:11:01,440
front of us now

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01:11:06,870 --> 01:11:04,800
it's right in front of us but i've also

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01:11:10,149 --> 01:11:06,880
had this feeling before

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01:11:12,149 --> 01:11:10,159
yes yes exactly and i'm sure

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01:11:14,310 --> 01:11:12,159
i'm sure that you have gone through the

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01:11:17,750 --> 01:11:14,320
same ups and downs where

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01:11:20,390 --> 01:11:17,760
uh uh we can look back historically and

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01:11:24,070 --> 01:11:20,400
look at these peaks and valleys where

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01:11:26,149 --> 01:11:24,080
things really got exciting and heated

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01:11:28,950 --> 01:11:26,159
uh you went through the same things are

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01:11:30,950 --> 01:11:28,960
you are you acclimated to it like

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01:11:33,270 --> 01:11:30,960
right now with with the excitement that

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01:11:34,470 --> 01:11:33,280
is going on with disclosure in the ufo

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01:11:37,669 --> 01:11:34,480
question

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01:11:38,870 --> 01:11:37,679
are you a little bit reticent to get

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01:11:41,350 --> 01:11:38,880
excited

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01:11:42,630 --> 01:11:41,360
or do you think that the excitement is

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01:11:45,110 --> 01:11:42,640
deserved

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01:11:46,870 --> 01:11:45,120
no i i would i would always caution as

1681
01:11:48,630 --> 01:11:46,880
far as all of your listeners that

1682
01:11:50,550 --> 01:11:48,640
uh as you described jimmy this is

1683
01:11:52,470 --> 01:11:50,560
something that we've gone through

1684
01:11:53,590 --> 01:11:52,480
numerous times in the past and i would i

1685
01:11:57,590 --> 01:11:53,600
would witness

1686
01:12:01,430 --> 01:11:57,600
even heinek on two specific occasions

1687
01:12:04,070 --> 01:12:01,440
where being in chicago that wgn the

1688
01:12:07,510 --> 01:12:04,080
superstation downtown in the loop

1689
01:12:10,709 --> 01:12:07,520
of chicago they would have a tip off

1690
01:12:12,070 --> 01:12:10,719
from some source in washington that

1691
01:12:13,910 --> 01:12:12,080
there was going to be an announcement

1692
01:12:16,070 --> 01:12:13,920
that the president himself

1693
01:12:17,030 --> 01:12:16,080
was going to go before the microphones

1694
01:12:19,590 --> 01:12:17,040
and you know

1695
01:12:20,630 --> 01:12:19,600
make a statement regarding ufos and they

1696
01:12:23,430 --> 01:12:20,640
wanted heinek

1697
01:12:25,590 --> 01:12:23,440
in studio for an immediate reaction

1698
01:12:28,630 --> 01:12:25,600
immediate response

1699
01:12:31,430 --> 01:12:28,640
and i would see how this would fall

1700
01:12:33,830 --> 01:12:31,440
through time and time again and then

1701
01:12:35,590 --> 01:12:33,840
after a heineken passed away

1702
01:12:37,270 --> 01:12:35,600
and it was through even the late bud

1703
01:12:40,950 --> 01:12:37,280
hopkins where we were

1704
01:12:42,709 --> 01:12:40,960
all war we were all told to get ready

1705
01:12:44,229 --> 01:12:42,719
that we were to get make plans to come

1706
01:12:46,550 --> 01:12:44,239
to washington

1707
01:12:48,790 --> 01:12:46,560
that there was going to be some

1708
01:12:50,950 --> 01:12:48,800
announcement

1709
01:12:52,390 --> 01:12:50,960
and we were told not to talk about it

1710
01:12:55,669 --> 01:12:52,400
over the phone

1711
01:12:59,590 --> 01:12:55,679
we would only meet about it very uh

1712
01:13:02,709 --> 01:12:59,600
you know uh surreptitiously

1713
01:13:04,870 --> 01:13:02,719
and at one point i'm talking to

1714
01:13:06,550 --> 01:13:04,880
uh who i believe is one of them it's

1715
01:13:07,350 --> 01:13:06,560
about the most prolific writer in the

1716
01:13:10,310 --> 01:13:07,360
field

1717
01:13:11,350 --> 01:13:10,320
jerome clark i'm talking to him over the

1718
01:13:13,830 --> 01:13:11,360
phone and he's going

1719
01:13:14,790 --> 01:13:13,840
you know don i thought this would never

1720
01:13:18,390 --> 01:13:14,800
be

1721
01:13:19,430 --> 01:13:18,400
frightening to me but he said don i'm

1722
01:13:22,470 --> 01:13:19,440
actually scared

1723
01:13:23,669 --> 01:13:22,480
that this may be happening that we're on

1724
01:13:25,590 --> 01:13:23,679
the brink

1725
01:13:27,350 --> 01:13:25,600
and i said yeah i know what what you're

1726
01:13:29,590 --> 01:13:27,360
talking about it's like we've been

1727
01:13:30,390 --> 01:13:29,600
chasing this elusive phantom all these

1728
01:13:32,229 --> 01:13:30,400
years

1729
01:13:35,590 --> 01:13:32,239
and for the first time it stops and

1730
01:13:38,870 --> 01:13:35,600
turns and looks us in the eyes

1731
01:13:41,669 --> 01:13:38,880
and that too fell apart

1732
01:13:42,550 --> 01:13:41,679
no explanation it's just someone pulled

1733
01:13:46,149 --> 01:13:42,560
the plug on it

1734
01:13:48,149 --> 01:13:46,159
and we're not ready we're not ready so

1735
01:13:49,350 --> 01:13:48,159
i think the difference this time around

1736
01:13:52,630 --> 01:13:49,360
though jimmy

1737
01:13:56,229 --> 01:13:52,640
is that it isn't

1738
01:13:58,950 --> 01:13:56,239
these phantom these shadowy figures in

1739
01:14:01,110 --> 01:13:58,960
washington that are dangling carrots

1740
01:14:03,669 --> 01:14:01,120
we actually have the united states navy

1741
01:14:06,229 --> 01:14:03,679
we actually have the pentagon

1742
01:14:07,750 --> 01:14:06,239
that are making certain pronouncements

1743
01:14:09,030 --> 01:14:07,760
they're actually acknowledging that

1744
01:14:10,870 --> 01:14:09,040
they've been briefing

1745
01:14:12,070 --> 01:14:10,880
you know certain congressmen on the

1746
01:14:15,270 --> 01:14:12,080
subject

1747
01:14:18,950 --> 01:14:15,280
for years and that there have been

1748
01:14:20,630 --> 01:14:18,960
you know separate ufo investigations uap

1749
01:14:23,669 --> 01:14:20,640
investigations that have been going

1750
01:14:27,110 --> 01:14:23,679
on all this time

1751
01:14:28,709 --> 01:14:27,120
and it's like well yes we suspected that

1752
01:14:30,709 --> 01:14:28,719
in fact i can even document the fact

1753
01:14:32,070 --> 01:14:30,719
that even after blue book hynek was

1754
01:14:34,630 --> 01:14:32,080
involved with a project

1755
01:14:35,990 --> 01:14:34,640
at foreign technology division at wright

1756
01:14:39,189 --> 01:14:36,000
pat

1757
01:14:41,910 --> 01:14:39,199
for four years where he was a consultant

1758
01:14:44,709 --> 01:14:41,920
on controversial aerial phenomenon well

1759
01:14:48,229 --> 01:14:44,719
what else are we talking about

1760
01:14:50,550 --> 01:14:48,239
so we we know that ufos

1761
01:14:51,750 --> 01:14:50,560
and the investigations have never gone

1762
01:14:54,229 --> 01:14:51,760
away

1763
01:14:55,030 --> 01:14:54,239
and if there's a there there there's

1764
01:14:57,350 --> 01:14:55,040
still

1765
01:14:59,189 --> 01:14:57,360
there there's something to announce

1766
01:15:01,790 --> 01:14:59,199
there's something to present

1767
01:15:03,750 --> 01:15:01,800
to the american people and what i'm

1768
01:15:07,669 --> 01:15:03,760
especially

1769
01:15:09,830 --> 01:15:07,679
optimistic about with caution once again

1770
01:15:11,430 --> 01:15:09,840
is that is is for the fact that this

1771
01:15:14,070 --> 01:15:11,440
time

1772
01:15:16,630 --> 01:15:14,080
they sound like they may be on the brink

1773
01:15:18,790 --> 01:15:16,640
of substantiating roswell

1774
01:15:20,550 --> 01:15:18,800
or something of you know of that nature

1775
01:15:20,870 --> 01:15:20,560
of a crash retrieval that they actually

1776
01:15:23,669 --> 01:15:20,880
have

1777
01:15:24,070 --> 01:15:23,679
physical evidence in their possession

1778
01:15:28,390 --> 01:15:24,080
they're

1779
01:15:31,189 --> 01:15:28,400
talking about actual physical

1780
01:15:32,950 --> 01:15:31,199
ufo wreckage that they have in their

1781
01:15:35,990 --> 01:15:32,960
possession

1782
01:15:37,270 --> 01:15:36,000
and right away i'm sitting taller in my

1783
01:15:39,110 --> 01:15:37,280
chair and going well

1784
01:15:41,590 --> 01:15:39,120
obviously the first one that comes to my

1785
01:15:45,510 --> 01:15:41,600
mind is roswell

1786
01:15:48,709 --> 01:15:45,520
and so even the president his annual

1787
01:15:52,229 --> 01:15:48,719
father's day interview with his son

1788
01:15:55,350 --> 01:15:52,239
don jr and the very last

1789
01:15:57,030 --> 01:15:55,360
question is dad

1790
01:16:00,229 --> 01:15:57,040
when are you going to tell us the truth

1791
01:16:03,590 --> 01:16:01,669
and for the president to then

1792
01:16:05,510 --> 01:16:03,600
acknowledge

1793
01:16:07,830 --> 01:16:05,520
again there's a there there there's

1794
01:16:09,510 --> 01:16:07,840
something there he didn't just oh

1795
01:16:12,229 --> 01:16:09,520
it's just a weather balloon oh it's just

1796
01:16:13,990 --> 01:16:12,239
that that that russian spy balloon you

1797
01:16:15,189 --> 01:16:14,000
know that was explained the way back in

1798
01:16:18,390 --> 01:16:15,199
1994

1799
01:16:20,229 --> 01:16:18,400
nothing to it and then he goes well son

1800
01:16:22,070 --> 01:16:20,239
now that you mention it you know that's

1801
01:16:25,669 --> 01:16:22,080
i'm asked that question probably more

1802
01:16:28,950 --> 01:16:27,350
and there's a there there and he talks

1803
01:16:31,510 --> 01:16:28,960
about the millions of people that are

1804
01:16:33,189 --> 01:16:31,520
interested in roswell and how many go to

1805
01:16:34,950 --> 01:16:33,199
roswell because they want to be there

1806
01:16:36,709 --> 01:16:34,960
they want to feel as though they're

1807
01:16:38,870 --> 01:16:36,719
they're close to where it actually

1808
01:16:42,070 --> 01:16:38,880
happened

1809
01:16:43,910 --> 01:16:42,080
and then he closes by saying i'll have

1810
01:16:46,790 --> 01:16:43,920
to think about it

1811
01:16:49,189 --> 01:16:46,800
before i say anything more before i

1812
01:16:52,470 --> 01:16:49,199
disclose anything

1813
01:16:55,510 --> 01:16:52,480
well you know it either raises your

1814
01:16:59,270 --> 01:16:55,520
hopes to that next bar that next level

1815
01:17:02,550 --> 01:16:59,280
or is this some pre-election you know

1816
01:17:04,149 --> 01:17:02,560
type of propaganda type of pr some type

1817
01:17:06,310 --> 01:17:04,159
of fanfare of that sort

1818
01:17:07,590 --> 01:17:06,320
but then you tie it in with the navy

1819
01:17:10,310 --> 01:17:07,600
well why would the navy

1820
01:17:12,310 --> 01:17:10,320
be doing this for the election they

1821
01:17:15,910 --> 01:17:12,320
wouldn't be

1822
01:17:19,030 --> 01:17:15,920
no it started almost three years ago

1823
01:17:22,390 --> 01:17:19,040
precisely yeah and and don when

1824
01:17:24,950 --> 01:17:22,400
uh i can only imagine

1825
01:17:27,430 --> 01:17:24,960
what went through your mind uh a few

1826
01:17:30,149 --> 01:17:27,440
weeks ago when the new york times

1827
01:17:32,390 --> 01:17:30,159
uh published the article from uh leslie

1828
01:17:35,510 --> 01:17:32,400
kane and ralph blumenthal

1829
01:17:37,990 --> 01:17:35,520
correct yeah and down uh you know 13 14

1830
01:17:41,350 --> 01:17:38,000
paragraphs down there's this little

1831
01:17:43,669 --> 01:17:41,360
little blurb that that almost escaped

1832
01:17:46,870 --> 01:17:43,679
everybody well it turned out it didn't

1833
01:17:48,390 --> 01:17:46,880
but where dr eric davis now whether the

1834
01:17:51,750 --> 01:17:48,400
statement is true

1835
01:17:54,470 --> 01:17:51,760
or not that part doesn't matter

1836
01:17:55,990 --> 01:17:54,480
but he makes a statement where he's

1837
01:17:59,510 --> 01:17:56,000
quoting

1838
01:18:02,950 --> 01:17:59,520
himself saying that he

1839
01:18:06,070 --> 01:18:02,960
discussed with the senate both

1840
01:18:09,590 --> 01:18:06,080
publicly and privately that

1841
01:18:16,390 --> 01:18:09,600
the united states was in possession of

1842
01:18:20,470 --> 01:18:17,910
now that kind of statement like i said

1843
01:18:23,510 --> 01:18:20,480
it doesn't matter if it's true or not

1844
01:18:26,390 --> 01:18:23,520
it's now in in print and so

1845
01:18:26,630 --> 01:18:26,400
it's accepted as fact around the world

1846
01:18:29,110 --> 01:18:26,640
and

1847
01:18:31,030 --> 01:18:29,120
other newspapers that's a quantitative

1848
01:18:33,110 --> 01:18:31,040
quantum leap

1849
01:18:34,229 --> 01:18:33,120
so what went through your mind because

1850
01:18:40,070 --> 01:18:34,239
when i

1851
01:18:40,870 --> 01:18:40,080
the new york times and their editors not

1852
01:18:44,310 --> 01:18:40,880
necessarily

1853
01:18:45,750 --> 01:18:44,320
leslie or ralph or even eric davis

1854
01:18:47,350 --> 01:18:45,760
but you know it goes through an

1855
01:18:50,950 --> 01:18:47,360
editorial uh

1856
01:18:55,189 --> 01:18:50,960
chain of custody before it goes to print

1857
01:18:57,270 --> 01:18:55,199
so that statement implied to me

1858
01:18:58,229 --> 01:18:57,280
about roswell it was something about

1859
01:19:00,229 --> 01:18:58,239
roswell

1860
01:19:03,350 --> 01:19:00,239
yes yes is that is that what you were

1861
01:19:03,750 --> 01:19:03,360
thinking absolutely and then again going

1862
01:19:06,709 --> 01:19:03,760
back

1863
01:19:07,270 --> 01:19:06,719
and being a student of history you know

1864
01:19:12,149 --> 01:19:07,280
how

1865
01:19:14,070 --> 01:19:12,159
to roswell what statements that bill

1866
01:19:16,229 --> 01:19:14,080
clinton make about roswell

1867
01:19:17,189 --> 01:19:16,239
and were any of the other presidents you

1868
01:19:19,270 --> 01:19:17,199
know have

1869
01:19:20,550 --> 01:19:19,280
they said anything about roswell through

1870
01:19:23,990 --> 01:19:20,560
the years

1871
01:19:27,830 --> 01:19:24,000
it it keeps you know rising to the top

1872
01:19:30,229 --> 01:19:27,840
as though it's never been successfully

1873
01:19:31,110 --> 01:19:30,239
pushed aside it's never been

1874
01:19:35,430 --> 01:19:31,120
successfully

1875
01:19:38,630 --> 01:19:35,440
explained because whenever

1876
01:19:40,070 --> 01:19:38,640
mentioned roswell i don't care where and

1877
01:19:41,750 --> 01:19:40,080
within the last number of years where

1878
01:19:44,870 --> 01:19:41,760
i've been to china and japan

1879
01:19:47,030 --> 01:19:44,880
and russia and australia you mentioned

1880
01:19:47,669 --> 01:19:47,040
roswell and i'm sorry even in other

1881
01:19:50,070 --> 01:19:47,679
countries

1882
01:19:51,669 --> 01:19:50,080
they don't think weather balloon they

1883
01:19:54,709 --> 01:19:51,679
immediately think

1884
01:19:56,550 --> 01:19:54,719
crashed flying saucer they think as far

1885
01:19:59,030 --> 01:19:56,560
as that the united states government

1886
01:19:59,910 --> 01:19:59,040
potentially possibly has been able to

1887
01:20:03,189 --> 01:19:59,920
reverse

1888
01:20:05,189 --> 01:20:03,199
engineer the technology of an actual

1889
01:20:09,189 --> 01:20:05,199
recovered craft

1890
01:20:10,390 --> 01:20:09,199
and so that in itself it demonstrates

1891
01:20:13,510 --> 01:20:10,400
that we're winning

1892
01:20:14,229 --> 01:20:13,520
that battle we're winning the war in the

1893
01:20:17,830 --> 01:20:14,239
fact that

1894
01:20:18,470 --> 01:20:17,840
roswell it's it's only the the hardened

1895
01:20:20,950 --> 01:20:18,480
dead heart

1896
01:20:21,990 --> 01:20:20,960
you know skeptics the scoffers the the

1897
01:20:25,510 --> 01:20:22,000
bunkers

1898
01:20:27,830 --> 01:20:25,520
that still hold on to the fact that

1899
01:20:31,510 --> 01:20:27,840
the very personnel who were in charge of

1900
01:20:33,910 --> 01:20:31,520
the atomic bomb back in 1947 the

1901
01:20:34,550 --> 01:20:33,920
in the united states military couldn't

1902
01:20:36,470 --> 01:20:34,560
tell

1903
01:20:38,629 --> 01:20:36,480
a weather balloon from something

1904
01:20:40,629 --> 01:20:38,639
fantastic something manufactured

1905
01:20:42,149 --> 01:20:40,639
elsewhere that even a five-year-old

1906
01:20:43,830 --> 01:20:42,159
child would have recognized

1907
01:20:46,870 --> 01:20:43,840
and they're still asking us to believe

1908
01:20:51,990 --> 01:20:46,880
something so absurd the

1909
01:20:55,189 --> 01:20:52,000
approach today uh with ufo research

1910
01:20:57,750 --> 01:20:55,199
um i'm not so sure

1911
01:20:59,750 --> 01:20:57,760
because i don't see the evidence of this

1912
01:21:01,669 --> 01:20:59,760
like we have in the past

1913
01:21:02,790 --> 01:21:01,679
you jumping in your car and driving

1914
01:21:06,149 --> 01:21:02,800
across the country

1915
01:21:06,709 --> 01:21:06,159
right no no and i don't see that

1916
01:21:09,030 --> 01:21:06,719
happening

1917
01:21:11,830 --> 01:21:09,040
with ufo research today but it's the

1918
01:21:14,070 --> 01:21:11,840
same thing with sports or anything else

1919
01:21:16,550 --> 01:21:14,080
uh that you want to write about you've

1920
01:21:19,350 --> 01:21:16,560
got the internet at your disposal

1921
01:21:20,070 --> 01:21:19,360
and you are going to write and do your

1922
01:21:23,189 --> 01:21:20,080
research

1923
01:21:26,390 --> 01:21:23,199
uh from in front of a computer um

1924
01:21:29,990 --> 01:21:26,400
is that approach uh

1925
01:21:32,790 --> 01:21:30,000
the wrong way or do you find

1926
01:21:33,430 --> 01:21:32,800
ufo researchers today that i don't know

1927
01:21:36,629 --> 01:21:33,440
about

1928
01:21:39,430 --> 01:21:36,639
but are actually going to the scene

1929
01:21:40,229 --> 01:21:39,440
and interviewing and and taking the

1930
01:21:43,430 --> 01:21:40,239
right approach

1931
01:21:44,070 --> 01:21:43,440
uh to research i'd like to believe the

1932
01:21:48,149 --> 01:21:44,080
latter

1933
01:21:51,669 --> 01:21:48,159
that there are still the old school who

1934
01:21:54,870 --> 01:21:51,679
we are today where we are because

1935
01:21:55,990 --> 01:21:54,880
we have stayed in the game we haven't

1936
01:21:59,110 --> 01:21:56,000
relinquished

1937
01:22:01,030 --> 01:21:59,120
the ball in the sense that i i hearken

1938
01:22:01,350 --> 01:22:01,040
back to heinek again keeping in mind

1939
01:22:05,189 --> 01:22:01,360
that

1940
01:22:08,390 --> 01:22:05,199
he was the resident skeptic

1941
01:22:12,229 --> 01:22:08,400
with the air force they expected and

1942
01:22:13,110 --> 01:22:12,239
he accepted the role of going before the

1943
01:22:14,950 --> 01:22:13,120
press

1944
01:22:17,189 --> 01:22:14,960
whenever something leaked out to the

1945
01:22:18,950 --> 01:22:17,199
public and he would come up with the

1946
01:22:21,350 --> 01:22:18,960
explanation

1947
01:22:22,390 --> 01:22:21,360
and to his detriment you know he was the

1948
01:22:25,590 --> 01:22:22,400
author of the

1949
01:22:26,790 --> 01:22:25,600
the whole swamp gas explanation that he

1950
01:22:28,550 --> 01:22:26,800
never lived down

1951
01:22:30,870 --> 01:22:28,560
of the dexter ann arbor sightings in

1952
01:22:34,470 --> 01:22:30,880
1966 in michigan

1953
01:22:37,030 --> 01:22:34,480
which he only applied to one specific

1954
01:22:37,990 --> 01:22:37,040
report but nonetheless it was the final

1955
01:22:40,950 --> 01:22:38,000
straw as far as

1956
01:22:42,550 --> 01:22:40,960
the media went that now you're insulting

1957
01:22:45,669 --> 01:22:42,560
our intelligence

1958
01:22:47,590 --> 01:22:45,679
and the same would apply to myself in

1959
01:22:48,470 --> 01:22:47,600
that i also was a total skeptic on

1960
01:22:51,669 --> 01:22:48,480
roswell

1961
01:22:56,070 --> 01:22:51,679
i did not have a preconceived idea

1962
01:22:59,270 --> 01:22:56,080
theory at all concerning the incident

1963
01:23:00,310 --> 01:22:59,280
i went with the full expectation of

1964
01:23:03,350 --> 01:23:00,320
allowing

1965
01:23:06,149 --> 01:23:03,360
the evidence the eyewitness testimony

1966
01:23:06,629 --> 01:23:06,159
the documentation whatever i would be

1967
01:23:10,310 --> 01:23:06,639
able

1968
01:23:13,830 --> 01:23:10,320
to put on the plate so to speak

1969
01:23:16,870 --> 01:23:13,840
lead me wherever it went and

1970
01:23:18,870 --> 01:23:16,880
the reason that we you know arrived at

1971
01:23:21,910 --> 01:23:18,880
the final conclusions that we have

1972
01:23:25,590 --> 01:23:21,920
are just based on having that totally

1973
01:23:28,550 --> 01:23:25,600
unbiased uh objective

1974
01:23:29,510 --> 01:23:28,560
approach to this one particular case and

1975
01:23:32,470 --> 01:23:29,520
that is how it

1976
01:23:33,189 --> 01:23:32,480
has been in my own ufo research for all

1977
01:23:36,229 --> 01:23:33,199
these years

1978
01:23:37,350 --> 01:23:36,239
i'm afraid that even from some of the

1979
01:23:39,350 --> 01:23:37,360
old school

1980
01:23:41,430 --> 01:23:39,360
and they were typically people who had

1981
01:23:43,510 --> 01:23:41,440
their own ufo experiences

1982
01:23:45,189 --> 01:23:43,520
and as a result they already felt they

1983
01:23:46,310 --> 01:23:45,199
had the answers and they were looking to

1984
01:23:48,950 --> 01:23:46,320
substantiate

1985
01:23:49,430 --> 01:23:48,960
what they already knew to be factual

1986
01:23:53,270 --> 01:23:49,440
what they

1987
01:23:54,950 --> 01:23:53,280
phenomenon what i'm concerned about

1988
01:23:58,070 --> 01:23:54,960
today is that

1989
01:24:00,550 --> 01:23:58,080
the new order so many of the people that

1990
01:24:03,590 --> 01:24:00,560
are strictly armchair investigators

1991
01:24:06,310 --> 01:24:03,600
they already know where the phenomena

1992
01:24:08,149 --> 01:24:06,320
you know originates they know what

1993
01:24:09,830 --> 01:24:08,159
planet it comes from they know what

1994
01:24:13,030 --> 01:24:09,840
dimension it comes from

1995
01:24:14,709 --> 01:24:13,040
they have the answers and they're not

1996
01:24:16,550 --> 01:24:14,719
investigating anything

1997
01:24:18,870 --> 01:24:16,560
they're just writing about what they

1998
01:24:22,149 --> 01:24:18,880
feel already is

1999
01:24:23,990 --> 01:24:22,159
scientific accepted reality

2000
01:24:25,830 --> 01:24:24,000
and i'm sorry it's no different than

2001
01:24:27,830 --> 01:24:25,840
whenever i'm asked don

2002
01:24:30,149 --> 01:24:27,840
how many planets do you think they come

2003
01:24:33,189 --> 01:24:30,159
from and i always respond

2004
01:24:36,550 --> 01:24:33,199
sorry i'm still trying to prove

2005
01:24:37,189 --> 01:24:36,560
one let's not make it ridiculous what i

2006
01:24:42,830 --> 01:24:37,199
find

2007
01:24:53,310 --> 01:24:45,350
i

2008
01:24:56,310 --> 01:24:53,320
that were profound

2009
01:24:59,830 --> 01:24:56,320
life-changing real deal

2010
01:25:03,590 --> 01:24:59,840
immense intense sightings

2011
01:25:06,950 --> 01:25:03,600
with multiple witnesses in one case

2012
01:25:08,709 --> 01:25:06,960
uh 20 25 people were around me in the

2013
01:25:11,030 --> 01:25:08,719
middle of the day

2014
01:25:12,070 --> 01:25:11,040
and and and we saw the most

2015
01:25:14,790 --> 01:25:12,080
extraordinary

2016
01:25:15,110 --> 01:25:14,800
uh daylight a huge craft you know three

2017
01:25:18,070 --> 01:25:15,120
four

2018
01:25:19,510 --> 01:25:18,080
five hundred feet tall uh just insane

2019
01:25:24,830 --> 01:25:19,520
insane siding

2020
01:25:30,790 --> 01:25:27,830
inquiry not one phone call

2021
01:25:31,750 --> 01:25:30,800
from mass media from an armchair

2022
01:25:34,790 --> 01:25:31,760
researcher

2023
01:25:37,430 --> 01:25:34,800
anybody not one phone call now

2024
01:25:37,990 --> 01:25:37,440
um another sighting with 100 or 200

2025
01:25:40,229 --> 01:25:38,000
people

2026
01:25:41,430 --> 01:25:40,239
you know the famous green chrome balls

2027
01:25:46,790 --> 01:25:41,440
sighting

2028
01:25:50,070 --> 01:25:46,800
the platform

2029
01:25:52,229 --> 01:25:50,080
to speak about it right i have the

2030
01:25:54,550 --> 01:25:52,239
platform i can speak to

2031
01:25:56,070 --> 01:25:54,560
the largest audience in the world and

2032
01:25:58,709 --> 01:25:56,080
and i'm able to do that

2033
01:26:00,709 --> 01:25:58,719
not mo most people you're right right

2034
01:26:04,149 --> 01:26:00,719
not many people can do what i do

2035
01:26:05,430 --> 01:26:04,159
i understand that part but if you have

2036
01:26:07,910 --> 01:26:05,440
somebody like me

2037
01:26:10,149 --> 01:26:07,920
with multiple witnesses with the

2038
01:26:13,510 --> 01:26:10,159
sightings that i have had

2039
01:26:16,390 --> 01:26:13,520
i would expect researchers out there

2040
01:26:16,870 --> 01:26:16,400
to reach out to me and ask me about it

2041
01:26:20,390 --> 01:26:16,880
and

2042
01:26:23,990 --> 01:26:20,400
the other witnesses

2043
01:26:27,030 --> 01:26:24,000
find out what they saw go and do i've

2044
01:26:28,149 --> 01:26:27,040
given them a gift don i've given them

2045
01:26:30,870 --> 01:26:28,159
that i've given the

2046
01:26:31,990 --> 01:26:30,880
right and and that's that's the

2047
01:26:35,830 --> 01:26:32,000
difference

2048
01:26:36,709 --> 01:26:35,840
between then and now i don't see that

2049
01:26:39,590 --> 01:26:36,719
happening

2050
01:26:41,270 --> 01:26:39,600
there are a lot of uh really phenomenal

2051
01:26:42,229 --> 01:26:41,280
sightings and things that have happened

2052
01:26:45,430 --> 01:26:42,239
today

2053
01:26:46,550 --> 01:26:45,440
that there's no research everything is

2054
01:26:50,070 --> 01:26:46,560
focused on

2055
01:26:53,189 --> 01:26:50,080
on the three u.s navy videos which quite

2056
01:26:56,709 --> 01:26:53,199
frankly may or may not show anything but

2057
01:26:58,390 --> 01:26:56,719
that the world of ufology cannot be

2058
01:27:01,510 --> 01:26:58,400
centered around

2059
01:27:01,830 --> 01:27:01,520
three three videos that one you know

2060
01:27:08,070 --> 01:27:01,840
that

2061
01:27:09,990 --> 01:27:08,080
and and we have all of this other data

2062
01:27:10,870 --> 01:27:10,000
and eyewitnesses and things and

2063
01:27:13,750 --> 01:27:10,880
sightings

2064
01:27:14,070 --> 01:27:13,760
that are happening that aren't covered

2065
01:27:18,629 --> 01:27:14,080
and

2066
01:27:22,470 --> 01:27:18,639
that's the difference between then

2067
01:27:25,510 --> 01:27:22,480
and now totally totally and

2068
01:27:27,510 --> 01:27:25,520
can one imagine as i use the term

2069
01:27:28,950 --> 01:27:27,520
earlier about going back to the scene of

2070
01:27:31,910 --> 01:27:28,960
the crime

2071
01:27:34,070 --> 01:27:31,920
and can you can one imagine doing

2072
01:27:36,149 --> 01:27:34,080
archaeology any different than it's been

2073
01:27:39,830 --> 01:27:36,159
done for hundreds of years

2074
01:27:42,950 --> 01:27:39,840
you go back in time you

2075
01:27:43,669 --> 01:27:42,960
as far as retracing the footsteps of

2076
01:27:46,470 --> 01:27:43,679
someone

2077
01:27:47,270 --> 01:27:46,480
long departed but yet in attempting to

2078
01:27:51,830 --> 01:27:47,280
recreate

2079
01:27:54,550 --> 01:27:51,840
an historic event and as a result

2080
01:27:56,149 --> 01:27:54,560
you have to get your hands dirty you

2081
01:27:59,110 --> 01:27:56,159
have to sift through the ground

2082
01:28:00,310 --> 01:27:59,120
through the sand and look for physical

2083
01:28:03,189 --> 01:28:00,320
evidence

2084
01:28:05,510 --> 01:28:03,199
we've had five archaeological digs at

2085
01:28:07,430 --> 01:28:05,520
the roswell crash site

2086
01:28:09,149 --> 01:28:07,440
so in other words we're going back to

2087
01:28:11,110 --> 01:28:09,159
where it actually took place back in

2088
01:28:14,149 --> 01:28:11,120
1947.

2089
01:28:15,669 --> 01:28:14,159
fully you know accepting the fact that

2090
01:28:17,189 --> 01:28:15,679
we may find remnants of a weather

2091
01:28:19,189 --> 01:28:17,199
balloon

2092
01:28:21,270 --> 01:28:19,199
or we may find exactly what all the

2093
01:28:24,229 --> 01:28:21,280
eyewitnesses have described to us

2094
01:28:27,270 --> 01:28:24,239
but how else would the modern day

2095
01:28:30,629 --> 01:28:27,280
ufologist suggest we would do this

2096
01:28:32,070 --> 01:28:30,639
sitting at our desk you know reading you

2097
01:28:35,669 --> 01:28:32,080
know what we want to believe

2098
01:28:36,550 --> 01:28:35,679
as far as on the internet or is the old

2099
01:28:40,870 --> 01:28:36,560
school still

2100
01:28:43,990 --> 01:28:40,880
is going to come up with

2101
01:28:47,350 --> 01:28:44,000
evidence that is going to satisfy all

2102
01:28:49,750 --> 01:28:47,360
the respectful disciplines of science

2103
01:28:51,830 --> 01:28:49,760
because they need to see something right

2104
01:28:55,270 --> 01:28:51,840
before their eyes

2105
01:28:58,390 --> 01:28:55,280
all the hyperbole all the theory all

2106
01:29:00,550 --> 01:28:58,400
the as far as wanting dreams of what i

2107
01:29:02,790 --> 01:29:00,560
think something is

2108
01:29:04,310 --> 01:29:02,800
is only good enough for the lone

2109
01:29:06,070 --> 01:29:04,320
individual

2110
01:29:08,310 --> 01:29:06,080
i want to be able to show this to the

2111
01:29:10,629 --> 01:29:08,320
world i want to be able to demonstrate

2112
01:29:12,709 --> 01:29:10,639
not that we were right but that all the

2113
01:29:15,110 --> 01:29:12,719
witnesses were telling us the truth

2114
01:29:17,990 --> 01:29:15,120
that's exactly it i i think that that is

2115
01:29:20,229 --> 01:29:18,000
the point and it should always be

2116
01:29:22,390 --> 01:29:20,239
uh not only the witnesses but the

2117
01:29:25,590 --> 01:29:22,400
community first because

2118
01:29:27,590 --> 01:29:25,600
the community is here because of

2119
01:29:29,350 --> 01:29:27,600
something personal something emotional

2120
01:29:30,149 --> 01:29:29,360
something has happened they have seen

2121
01:29:32,950 --> 01:29:30,159
something

2122
01:29:33,990 --> 01:29:32,960
that draws them into our circle of

2123
01:29:36,229 --> 01:29:34,000
friends

2124
01:29:37,189 --> 01:29:36,239
and and the witnesses not only at

2125
01:29:40,229 --> 01:29:37,199
roswell

2126
01:29:40,790 --> 01:29:40,239
but all around the world right that is

2127
01:29:44,470 --> 01:29:40,800
that

2128
01:29:47,030 --> 01:29:44,480
exactly

2129
01:29:48,629 --> 01:29:47,040
right and and and i'm doing this for

2130
01:29:51,990 --> 01:29:48,639
them you are doing this

2131
01:29:54,470 --> 01:29:52,000
for them and and i hope that and

2132
01:29:55,590 --> 01:29:54,480
you're so right that that we can get to

2133
01:29:59,430 --> 01:29:55,600
the end of this race

2134
01:30:01,510 --> 01:29:59,440
uh soon you know and you know who uh

2135
01:30:02,550 --> 01:30:01,520
you know who deserves to be here right

2136
01:30:06,149 --> 01:30:02,560
now i mean

2137
01:30:08,310 --> 01:30:06,159
there's many but uh stanton friedman

2138
01:30:10,390 --> 01:30:08,320
you know of course you know he he needs

2139
01:30:14,470 --> 01:30:10,400
to these are exciting times

2140
01:30:15,750 --> 01:30:14,480
and he he uh he carried that olympic

2141
01:30:19,110 --> 01:30:15,760
torch man

2142
01:30:21,830 --> 01:30:19,120
he was a tremendous ambassador for the

2143
01:30:25,350 --> 01:30:21,840
field for the subject around the world

2144
01:30:27,030 --> 01:30:25,360
and that not only with his uh scientific

2145
01:30:27,430 --> 01:30:27,040
background but the fact that he could

2146
01:30:30,870 --> 01:30:27,440
take

2147
01:30:34,470 --> 01:30:30,880
on any scientist on the subject

2148
01:30:38,149 --> 01:30:34,480
and win hands down because he was a true

2149
01:30:39,270 --> 01:30:38,159
student he you know he loved archival

2150
01:30:42,470 --> 01:30:39,280
research

2151
01:30:45,669 --> 01:30:42,480
he was always you know very

2152
01:30:49,990 --> 01:30:45,679
optimistic that he would find you know

2153
01:30:53,189 --> 01:30:50,000
the physical proof in documentation

2154
01:30:55,910 --> 01:30:53,199
but that was his specialty he wasn't

2155
01:30:56,470 --> 01:30:55,920
someone who enjoyed being out in the

2156
01:30:58,709 --> 01:30:56,480
field

2157
01:31:00,550 --> 01:30:58,719
so to speak but that's where we came in

2158
01:31:01,189 --> 01:31:00,560
and that's how we work together very

2159
01:31:03,990 --> 01:31:01,199
often

2160
01:31:05,189 --> 01:31:04,000
because i didn't mind getting my hands

2161
01:31:07,750 --> 01:31:05,199
dirty

2162
01:31:08,790 --> 01:31:07,760
you know what i miss uh about stanton

2163
01:31:12,149 --> 01:31:08,800
you could always

2164
01:31:15,189 --> 01:31:12,159
tell he would get

2165
01:31:16,310 --> 01:31:15,199
he would get a little red in the face a

2166
01:31:19,030 --> 01:31:16,320
little red

2167
01:31:19,669 --> 01:31:19,040
when he was ready to stand his ground

2168
01:31:25,110 --> 01:31:19,679
and

2169
01:31:25,990 --> 01:31:25,120
really really funny he was so passionate

2170
01:31:29,270 --> 01:31:26,000
about it

2171
01:31:32,950 --> 01:31:29,280
but if if if there was an

2172
01:31:34,390 --> 01:31:32,960
area that was coming to the point

2173
01:31:36,229 --> 01:31:34,400
we'll talk more about this after the

2174
01:31:38,149 --> 01:31:36,239
break but you could tell

2175
01:31:39,270 --> 01:31:38,159
that stanton was about to school

2176
01:31:42,470 --> 01:31:39,280
somebody

2177
01:31:43,350 --> 01:31:42,480
and it was i was schooled a couple of

2178
01:31:46,870 --> 01:31:43,360
times don

2179
01:31:49,350 --> 01:31:46,880
i was right there i was witness to it i

2180
01:31:49,910 --> 01:31:49,360
i myself had many heated exchanges with

2181
01:31:51,669 --> 01:31:49,920
stan

2182
01:31:54,070 --> 01:31:51,679
and i think at times we schooled one

2183
01:31:54,709 --> 01:31:54,080
another so there you go let's take our

2184
01:31:55,990 --> 01:31:54,719
break

2185
01:31:58,390 --> 01:31:56,000
this is fade to black i'm here with

2186
01:32:00,390 --> 01:31:58,400
jimmy church tonight don schmidt

2187
01:32:01,669 --> 01:32:00,400
what a great conversation old school

2188
01:32:03,350 --> 01:32:01,679
versus

2189
01:32:05,110 --> 01:32:03,360
new school and we're also going to talk

2190
01:32:06,390 --> 01:32:05,120
about his new book we're kind of talking

2191
01:32:08,149 --> 01:32:06,400
about his new book

2192
01:32:10,070 --> 01:32:08,159
anyway during this conversation more

2193
01:32:16,150 --> 01:32:10,080
with don after this short break stay

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01:32:16,160 --> 01:32:26,709
[Music]

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way out here we listen to jimmy church

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01:35:44,390 --> 01:35:43,040
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01:35:54,830 --> 01:35:44,400
not be televised

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[Music]

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01:36:33,750 --> 01:36:32,310
welcome back paid to black i'm your host

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01:36:37,350 --> 01:36:33,760
jimmy church tonight don

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01:36:39,990 --> 01:36:37,360
schmidt old school versus

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01:36:42,550 --> 01:36:40,000
new school ufo research great

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01:36:44,629 --> 01:36:42,560
conversation love it when don stops spy

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01:36:46,950 --> 01:36:44,639
and uh rumor has it we're gonna have a

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01:36:50,629 --> 01:36:46,960
fade to black party up at uh don's crib

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01:36:54,149 --> 01:36:50,639
here summer 20 20 21

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01:36:57,350 --> 01:36:54,159
it's uh man i can only imagine

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01:36:58,149 --> 01:36:57,360
the festivities but anyway uh we'll work

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01:37:00,229 --> 01:36:58,159
on that

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01:37:01,750 --> 01:37:00,239
i'm telling you right now fader knots

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01:37:03,990 --> 01:37:01,760
down or making plans

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01:37:05,990 --> 01:37:04,000
um let's let's uh let i want to talk

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01:37:10,390 --> 01:37:06,000
about larry king for a moment

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01:37:13,590 --> 01:37:10,400
yes and uh in the past

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01:37:15,830 --> 01:37:13,600
larry was one of the supporters in

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01:37:16,950 --> 01:37:15,840
in mass media and for a time there it

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01:37:20,390 --> 01:37:16,960
seemed like he was

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01:37:22,870 --> 01:37:20,400
he was the only one and and also

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01:37:23,510 --> 01:37:22,880
back then and this is the thing you know

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01:37:30,870 --> 01:37:23,520
you had

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01:37:33,990 --> 01:37:30,880
uh that were the go-to faces

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01:37:37,030 --> 01:37:34,000
uh for the ufo community when it came

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01:37:40,629 --> 01:37:37,040
to the mass media but those

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01:37:41,430 --> 01:37:40,639
were like once a year events larry king

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01:37:44,950 --> 01:37:41,440
live

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01:37:49,109 --> 01:37:44,960
ufo cover up or whatever um but

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01:37:51,510 --> 01:37:49,119
today don you've got tucker carlson

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01:37:53,910 --> 01:37:51,520
right it seems like a nightly event he's

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01:37:57,270 --> 01:37:53,920
got nick pope on or somebody else

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01:37:58,390 --> 01:37:57,280
uh cnn's coverage uh mass media around

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01:38:02,470 --> 01:37:58,400
the world

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01:38:05,669 --> 01:38:02,480
um is now covering the ufo subject

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01:38:08,629 --> 01:38:05,679
uh it was nightly for a while

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01:38:08,950 --> 01:38:08,639
um but now it's it's being approached

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01:38:11,590 --> 01:38:08,960
quite

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01:38:12,950 --> 01:38:11,600
how has it changed from the days of

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01:38:16,070 --> 01:38:12,960
larry king

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01:38:19,669 --> 01:38:16,080
uh to now well it still remains

2317
01:38:23,270 --> 01:38:19,679
just a a short you know two three minute

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01:38:26,550 --> 01:38:23,280
basically sound bite discussing some of

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01:38:29,750 --> 01:38:26,560
the more you know topical ufo

2320
01:38:30,950 --> 01:38:29,760
or uap information for the for the

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01:38:32,629 --> 01:38:30,960
particular uh

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01:38:34,229 --> 01:38:32,639
period that we're in what was great

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01:38:36,070 --> 01:38:34,239
about larry king is that you got a whole

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01:38:39,350 --> 01:38:36,080
hour

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01:38:39,990 --> 01:38:39,360
and there were a lot of talk shows back

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01:38:43,030 --> 01:38:40,000
then

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01:38:44,470 --> 01:38:43,040
uh when we did oprah you know we had a

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01:38:48,470 --> 01:38:44,480
whole hour

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01:38:51,030 --> 01:38:48,480
if you did montel williams if you did uh

2330
01:38:52,709 --> 01:38:51,040
even uh some of the other talk shows at

2331
01:38:54,790 --> 01:38:52,719
that time

2332
01:38:56,629 --> 01:38:54,800
you had a full hour to at least make

2333
01:38:58,310 --> 01:38:56,639
your case

2334
01:38:59,990 --> 01:38:58,320
and that's the wonderful thing about

2335
01:39:02,950 --> 01:39:00,000
radio

2336
01:39:05,189 --> 01:39:02,960
that you can get into such an extended

2337
01:39:07,910 --> 01:39:05,199
discussion on the topic

2338
01:39:11,510 --> 01:39:07,920
that if you've left certain cards off

2339
01:39:13,830 --> 01:39:11,520
the table then it's your fault

2340
01:39:15,590 --> 01:39:13,840
so often when you do like if you do a

2341
01:39:19,990 --> 01:39:15,600
tucker carlson or something

2342
01:39:21,350 --> 01:39:20,000
of that i mean you you basically

2343
01:39:23,590 --> 01:39:21,360
you have to learn how to talk in

2344
01:39:26,790 --> 01:39:23,600
five-minute

2345
01:39:27,669 --> 01:39:26,800
dialogue you have to be able to come up

2346
01:39:30,550 --> 01:39:27,679
as far as

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01:39:31,590 --> 01:39:30,560
with just quick responses just fire them

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01:39:34,229 --> 01:39:31,600
off

2349
01:39:35,590 --> 01:39:34,239
and i don't know that they make the

2350
01:39:38,790 --> 01:39:35,600
point

2351
01:39:40,950 --> 01:39:38,800
of such as a radio discussion

2352
01:39:42,709 --> 01:39:40,960
that was the wonderful thing about long

2353
01:39:43,830 --> 01:39:42,719
john neville to begin with and then

2354
01:39:47,109 --> 01:39:43,840
certainly art bell

2355
01:39:49,189 --> 01:39:47,119
and then george and and then you jimmy

2356
01:39:50,310 --> 01:39:49,199
certainly and then clyde and some of the

2357
01:39:53,189 --> 01:39:50,320
others

2358
01:39:55,189 --> 01:39:53,199
that it has provided ufology with a

2359
01:39:59,430 --> 01:39:55,199
platform

2360
01:40:01,430 --> 01:39:59,440
that we've never had otherwise

2361
01:40:03,270 --> 01:40:01,440
and like you mentioned even having your

2362
01:40:05,510 --> 01:40:03,280
own ufo experience

2363
01:40:07,510 --> 01:40:05,520
where was the media well investigative

2364
01:40:09,350 --> 01:40:07,520
journalism is a lost art

2365
01:40:10,550 --> 01:40:09,360
they just stoned everything's a 24-hour

2366
01:40:12,629 --> 01:40:10,560
news cycle

2367
01:40:14,229 --> 01:40:12,639
today and as a result they don't have

2368
01:40:15,270 --> 01:40:14,239
the the funding they don't have the

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01:40:17,590 --> 01:40:15,280
wherewithal they don't

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01:40:18,310 --> 01:40:17,600
have the reporters that that can

2371
01:40:21,430 --> 01:40:18,320
actually go

2372
01:40:23,430 --> 01:40:21,440
into any depth of investigation into

2373
01:40:26,709 --> 01:40:23,440
anything nowadays

2374
01:40:31,350 --> 01:40:26,719
and i think that's why they rely on

2375
01:40:34,390 --> 01:40:31,360
us to provide them with the raw material

2376
01:40:35,910 --> 01:40:34,400
that maybe they'll make a a story line

2377
01:40:37,910 --> 01:40:35,920
out of or maybe they'll even develop

2378
01:40:40,149 --> 01:40:37,920
into a documentary that type of thing

2379
01:40:41,750 --> 01:40:40,159
uh thank god also for the cable networks

2380
01:40:45,350 --> 01:40:41,760
history and discovery

2381
01:40:48,709 --> 01:40:45,360
and uh smithsonian and and so on

2382
01:40:51,109 --> 01:40:48,719
because it is it continues to provide

2383
01:40:53,750 --> 01:40:51,119
us with an opportunity to present our

2384
01:40:57,189 --> 01:40:53,760
case which we wouldn't have otherwise

2385
01:41:00,950 --> 01:40:57,199
is the public perception different

2386
01:41:03,510 --> 01:41:00,960
uh today than it was in 1980 1990

2387
01:41:04,310 --> 01:41:03,520
or has the hunger always been there and

2388
01:41:07,030 --> 01:41:04,320
that's what's

2389
01:41:08,950 --> 01:41:07,040
driving all of this uh television

2390
01:41:11,189 --> 01:41:08,960
programming today

2391
01:41:13,430 --> 01:41:11,199
oh i think we're at an all-time high

2392
01:41:18,950 --> 01:41:13,440
today i can think of

2393
01:41:22,550 --> 01:41:18,960
especially in my younger years because

2394
01:41:26,070 --> 01:41:22,560
when i grabbed up every flying saucer

2395
01:41:29,350 --> 01:41:26,080
book every ufo book i could

2396
01:41:33,109 --> 01:41:29,360
when i first became intrigued

2397
01:41:35,590 --> 01:41:33,119
interested in the very storyline

2398
01:41:37,669 --> 01:41:35,600
and it was after the warren report with

2399
01:41:40,310 --> 01:41:37,679
the kennedy assassination and

2400
01:41:41,510 --> 01:41:40,320
the use of the words cover-up and

2401
01:41:44,229 --> 01:41:41,520
whitewash

2402
01:41:45,590 --> 01:41:44,239
and then i see the cover of this flying

2403
01:41:47,750 --> 01:41:45,600
saucer book by

2404
01:41:48,790 --> 01:41:47,760
frank edwards flying saucer serious

2405
01:41:51,910 --> 01:41:48,800
business

2406
01:41:54,629 --> 01:41:51,920
and it's using those very same words

2407
01:41:55,189 --> 01:41:54,639
and i was hooked i couldn't grab up i

2408
01:41:57,590 --> 01:41:55,199
couldn't get

2409
01:41:58,870 --> 01:41:57,600
ufo books fast enough but then there

2410
01:42:00,790 --> 01:41:58,880
were there were dry

2411
01:42:02,550 --> 01:42:00,800
times there were years that you couldn't

2412
01:42:05,910 --> 01:42:02,560
find a ufo book

2413
01:42:08,950 --> 01:42:05,920
anywhere in a bookstore and now

2414
01:42:09,669 --> 01:42:08,960
today there are thousands you go on

2415
01:42:12,149 --> 01:42:09,679
amazon

2416
01:42:14,950 --> 01:42:12,159
i mean there are literally thousands of

2417
01:42:17,990 --> 01:42:14,960
books on ufos

2418
01:42:19,189 --> 01:42:18,000
so for that reason we also are winning

2419
01:42:21,910 --> 01:42:19,199
the war

2420
01:42:22,709 --> 01:42:21,920
because there is this this hunger this

2421
01:42:25,350 --> 01:42:22,719
thirst

2422
01:42:26,629 --> 01:42:25,360
for what we're dealing with and as a

2423
01:42:28,950 --> 01:42:26,639
result as

2424
01:42:30,070 --> 01:42:28,960
many times specifically that the

2425
01:42:33,430 --> 01:42:30,080
government slash

2426
01:42:36,070 --> 01:42:33,440
air force has tried to put this to rest

2427
01:42:37,910 --> 01:42:36,080
they have failed roswell will be the

2428
01:42:39,990 --> 01:42:37,920
best example because they have four

2429
01:42:41,510 --> 01:42:40,000
official explanations regarding one

2430
01:42:44,629 --> 01:42:41,520
incident

2431
01:42:47,030 --> 01:42:44,639
four you know how does that wash

2432
01:42:48,229 --> 01:42:47,040
what you pick one pick one to your

2433
01:42:50,550 --> 01:42:48,239
liking

2434
01:42:51,430 --> 01:42:50,560
you know i'm sorry reality you know

2435
01:42:54,629 --> 01:42:51,440
factual

2436
01:42:57,910 --> 01:42:54,639
investigation you know is never based on

2437
01:43:02,070 --> 01:42:57,920
uh alternative explanations that you uh

2438
01:43:05,590 --> 01:43:02,080
it's multiple choice and so

2439
01:43:06,470 --> 01:43:05,600
i think that's why we are in a wonderful

2440
01:43:09,669 --> 01:43:06,480
time period

2441
01:43:12,629 --> 01:43:09,679
in that we truly are at a make or break

2442
01:43:14,390 --> 01:43:12,639
because if if something isn't disclosed

2443
01:43:17,669 --> 01:43:14,400
if something doesn't happen

2444
01:43:19,510 --> 01:43:17,679
over the next couple of years regarding

2445
01:43:21,350 --> 01:43:19,520
this subject i'm afraid it's going to

2446
01:43:23,590 --> 01:43:21,360
die off once again

2447
01:43:24,950 --> 01:43:23,600
we're going to go through that dry spell

2448
01:43:28,950 --> 01:43:24,960
and it's going to

2449
01:43:31,990 --> 01:43:28,960
take a event of monumental

2450
01:43:35,109 --> 01:43:32,000
impact to bring us out of that

2451
01:43:37,189 --> 01:43:35,119
that that that coma that stupor

2452
01:43:38,790 --> 01:43:37,199
that the government is notorious for

2453
01:43:41,270 --> 01:43:38,800
always you know

2454
01:43:43,430 --> 01:43:41,280
dangling the truth at arm's length and

2455
01:43:46,550 --> 01:43:43,440
then almost reeling it back in

2456
01:43:48,550 --> 01:43:46,560
just before something is released

2457
01:43:50,470 --> 01:43:48,560
yeah it seems that we have gone through

2458
01:43:54,229 --> 01:43:50,480
those monumental

2459
01:43:57,830 --> 01:43:54,239
uh huge uh for the

2460
01:44:00,950 --> 01:43:57,840
for the new uh the the new school

2461
01:44:05,350 --> 01:44:00,960
ufo researchers today where

2462
01:44:07,350 --> 01:44:05,360
they may think that those three navy ufo

2463
01:44:11,189 --> 01:44:07,360
videos and what ttsa

2464
01:44:13,750 --> 01:44:11,199
is doing may be the the bee's knees

2465
01:44:14,229 --> 01:44:13,760
it may be the biggest thing ever uh but

2466
01:44:17,590 --> 01:44:14,239
that's

2467
01:44:22,629 --> 01:44:17,600
their perception the the

2468
01:44:25,669 --> 01:44:22,639
the impact of what the mj12 documents

2469
01:44:28,229 --> 01:44:25,679
did to the ufo community and and

2470
01:44:29,750 --> 01:44:28,239
its importance now where it is now

2471
01:44:32,149 --> 01:44:29,760
historically

2472
01:44:32,870 --> 01:44:32,159
that's a whole other thing but at the

2473
01:44:36,870 --> 01:44:32,880
time

2474
01:44:39,669 --> 01:44:36,880
holy crap the revelations of roswell

2475
01:44:41,430 --> 01:44:39,679
cannot be measured and then you look at

2476
01:44:44,870 --> 01:44:41,440
something like the

2477
01:44:48,470 --> 01:44:44,880
uh the the alien autopsy

2478
01:44:51,590 --> 01:44:48,480
uh hoax folks but but

2479
01:44:54,149 --> 01:44:51,600
it's impact and how these

2480
01:44:55,030 --> 01:44:54,159
explosive events right these these

2481
01:44:58,550 --> 01:44:55,040
things

2482
01:45:01,910 --> 01:44:58,560
well we're going through that now uh

2483
01:45:04,629 --> 01:45:01,920
with uh the three navy videos and and

2484
01:45:07,189 --> 01:45:04,639
ttsa in the senate and washington

2485
01:45:07,669 --> 01:45:07,199
where this may but where is this going

2486
01:45:14,149 --> 01:45:07,679
to be

2487
01:45:15,270 --> 01:45:14,159
right another cyclical event like we

2488
01:45:17,750 --> 01:45:15,280
have gone through

2489
01:45:18,470 --> 01:45:17,760
in the past time and time again i don't

2490
01:45:21,109 --> 01:45:18,480
know

2491
01:45:22,629 --> 01:45:21,119
but i i'm certainly hoping that this

2492
01:45:25,830 --> 01:45:22,639
time around it's not

2493
01:45:27,350 --> 01:45:25,840
going to be a big letdown like we've had

2494
01:45:29,109 --> 01:45:27,360
in the past right

2495
01:45:31,270 --> 01:45:29,119
too often in the past one of the things

2496
01:45:33,510 --> 01:45:31,280
that we need to focus on and we need to

2497
01:45:36,870 --> 01:45:33,520
put our collective efforts

2498
01:45:39,950 --> 01:45:36,880
as far as to good use when the project

2499
01:45:42,550 --> 01:45:39,960
blue book files were declassified in

2500
01:45:45,830 --> 01:45:42,560
1977

2501
01:45:49,590 --> 01:45:45,840
and it made reference to

2502
01:45:53,430 --> 01:45:49,600
i recall 21 separate gun camera

2503
01:45:58,070 --> 01:45:53,440
incidents just like the tic tac

2504
01:46:00,790 --> 01:45:58,080
situation but 21 of them

2505
01:46:01,910 --> 01:46:00,800
they involved as far as military

2506
01:46:04,550 --> 01:46:01,920
scrambles

2507
01:46:06,950 --> 01:46:04,560
they locked their weapon system on lock

2508
01:46:09,590 --> 01:46:06,960
their radar systems on and their

2509
01:46:10,550 --> 01:46:09,600
gun cameras just reeled i mean just

2510
01:46:13,750 --> 01:46:10,560
photograph

2511
01:46:16,390 --> 01:46:13,760
whatever was you know in front of them

2512
01:46:19,270 --> 01:46:16,400
as they were in hot pursuit

2513
01:46:20,070 --> 01:46:19,280
wouldn't we love to see any one of those

2514
01:46:22,390 --> 01:46:20,080
because

2515
01:46:23,669 --> 01:46:22,400
they're referenced in the classified

2516
01:46:27,030 --> 01:46:23,679
files but

2517
01:46:30,070 --> 01:46:27,040
where's the footage where are the films

2518
01:46:30,790 --> 01:46:30,080
not a single frame so don't tell me blue

2519
01:46:34,149 --> 01:46:30,800
book has been

2520
01:46:35,270 --> 01:46:34,159
declassified i'm sorry the meat of the

2521
01:46:37,750 --> 01:46:35,280
investigation

2522
01:46:39,669 --> 01:46:37,760
has never been released and then the

2523
01:46:41,830 --> 01:46:39,679
other question

2524
01:46:44,229 --> 01:46:41,840
and a number of my colleagues have also

2525
01:46:47,830 --> 01:46:44,239
you know raised the same point

2526
01:46:50,629 --> 01:46:47,840
well where were all the navy cases

2527
01:46:52,790 --> 01:46:50,639
in project blue book the declassified

2528
01:46:56,310 --> 01:46:52,800
reports are almost 99

2529
01:46:59,270 --> 01:46:56,320
air force well the navy

2530
01:47:01,350 --> 01:46:59,280
was having even you know the same type

2531
01:47:01,669 --> 01:47:01,360
of encounters and the same experience

2532
01:47:03,510 --> 01:47:01,679
that

2533
01:47:05,430 --> 01:47:03,520
air force personnel they were

2534
01:47:08,709 --> 01:47:05,440
investigating the situation

2535
01:47:12,149 --> 01:47:08,719
so was the army so is the marine corps

2536
01:47:14,629 --> 01:47:12,159
where are all those reports

2537
01:47:17,350 --> 01:47:14,639
so i'd like to think in many ways it's

2538
01:47:19,830 --> 01:47:17,360
the navy finally saying

2539
01:47:20,950 --> 01:47:19,840
and anyone who's had military experience

2540
01:47:22,709 --> 01:47:20,960
realizes that

2541
01:47:24,470 --> 01:47:22,719
they're in competition with one another

2542
01:47:26,629 --> 01:47:24,480
the different branches of the military

2543
01:47:29,189 --> 01:47:26,639
just like departments of intelligence

2544
01:47:30,790 --> 01:47:29,199
they are all competing as far as every

2545
01:47:31,910 --> 01:47:30,800
buck they can get as far as

2546
01:47:35,910 --> 01:47:31,920
congressional

2547
01:47:37,350 --> 01:47:35,920
as far as budgetary as far as allowances

2548
01:47:39,030 --> 01:47:37,360
and so

2549
01:47:40,709 --> 01:47:39,040
i'd like to believe that the navy is

2550
01:47:42,629 --> 01:47:40,719
finally saying well we're tired of the

2551
01:47:43,510 --> 01:47:42,639
air force speaking for us on this

2552
01:47:45,109 --> 01:47:43,520
subject

2553
01:47:47,109 --> 01:47:45,119
our personnel have been having

2554
01:47:50,070 --> 01:47:47,119
experiences for decades

2555
01:47:51,910 --> 01:47:50,080
and we're going to maybe you know put

2556
01:47:53,990 --> 01:47:51,920
our toe in the water and see

2557
01:47:55,189 --> 01:47:54,000
how the media see how the public react

2558
01:47:57,510 --> 01:47:55,199
to it and

2559
01:48:00,149 --> 01:47:57,520
if they want more information maybe

2560
01:48:01,510 --> 01:48:00,159
we'll give more information to them

2561
01:48:03,109 --> 01:48:01,520
so i'd like to believe this is going to

2562
01:48:05,830 --> 01:48:03,119
be in stages this is going to be in

2563
01:48:07,750 --> 01:48:05,840
phases and as a result

2564
01:48:09,590 --> 01:48:07,760
something has to happen now in short

2565
01:48:10,950 --> 01:48:09,600
order i'd like to believe something

2566
01:48:11,830 --> 01:48:10,960
might even happen now before the

2567
01:48:13,430 --> 01:48:11,840
election

2568
01:48:15,910 --> 01:48:13,440
given that the president himself has

2569
01:48:20,709 --> 01:48:15,920
said something to that effect

2570
01:48:22,709 --> 01:48:20,719
but they can't let the iron get cold

2571
01:48:24,709 --> 01:48:22,719
because then they have to reinvent as

2572
01:48:27,430 --> 01:48:24,719
far as the wheel all over again

2573
01:48:28,149 --> 01:48:27,440
i don't do politics on this show don as

2574
01:48:30,310 --> 01:48:28,159
you know

2575
01:48:31,990 --> 01:48:30,320
uh i avoid it i don't want to divide

2576
01:48:34,629 --> 01:48:32,000
this audience and

2577
01:48:35,189 --> 01:48:34,639
and you're better for that i agree i

2578
01:48:38,629 --> 01:48:35,199
don't

2579
01:48:41,750 --> 01:48:38,639
but uh a tweet popped out

2580
01:48:44,149 --> 01:48:41,760
uh about an hour ago on the show and

2581
01:48:45,990 --> 01:48:44,159
and it caught my eye and it said this

2582
01:48:49,990 --> 01:48:46,000
given that

2583
01:48:50,310 --> 01:48:50,000
uh the way that uh i'm paraphrasing now

2584
01:48:54,229 --> 01:48:50,320
but

2585
01:48:57,990 --> 01:48:54,239
uh the the tight race that is happening

2586
01:49:01,030 --> 01:48:58,000
right now that could that be

2587
01:49:04,550 --> 01:49:01,040
the the ace card for

2588
01:49:07,030 --> 01:49:04,560
president trump to play at at the last

2589
01:49:10,470 --> 01:49:07,040
minute right that october surprise

2590
01:49:13,589 --> 01:49:10,480
yes um could that be uh

2591
01:49:17,430 --> 01:49:13,599
the thing that tips things uh

2592
01:49:20,310 --> 01:49:17,440
in his favor and and assures reelection

2593
01:49:21,270 --> 01:49:20,320
is is the ufo card now you just

2594
01:49:24,629 --> 01:49:21,280
mentioned it

2595
01:49:26,390 --> 01:49:24,639
independently of this tweet um do you

2596
01:49:29,270 --> 01:49:26,400
think that that is actually

2597
01:49:29,589 --> 01:49:29,280
a possibility this time around hillary

2598
01:49:32,149 --> 01:49:29,599
uh

2599
01:49:33,270 --> 01:49:32,159
attempted to do it back in 2016.

2600
01:49:35,910 --> 01:49:33,280
certainly

2601
01:49:37,750 --> 01:49:35,920
uh gerald ford talked about it jimmy

2602
01:49:38,310 --> 01:49:37,760
carter talked about it carter made that

2603
01:49:41,589 --> 01:49:38,320
promise

2604
01:49:45,189 --> 01:49:41,599
right yep yep we we've seen it before

2605
01:49:49,030 --> 01:49:45,199
but but that was typically as candidate

2606
01:49:51,390 --> 01:49:49,040
clinton or carter ford

2607
01:49:53,750 --> 01:49:51,400
now as the actual you know

2608
01:49:56,390 --> 01:49:53,760
commander-in-chief

2609
01:50:00,310 --> 01:49:56,400
where you make an executive order you're

2610
01:50:05,510 --> 01:50:03,510
and let's also keep in mind that whether

2611
01:50:06,629 --> 01:50:05,520
it's jimmy kimmel talking to bill

2612
01:50:09,669 --> 01:50:06,639
clinton

2613
01:50:12,149 --> 01:50:09,679
and bringing up roswell

2614
01:50:13,350 --> 01:50:12,159
in the uh the heat of their uh this

2615
01:50:15,669 --> 01:50:13,360
discussion

2616
01:50:16,870 --> 01:50:15,679
don't think for a second that he sprung

2617
01:50:19,830 --> 01:50:16,880
that on

2618
01:50:21,030 --> 01:50:19,840
president clinton no those questions

2619
01:50:24,229 --> 01:50:21,040
were all

2620
01:50:26,629 --> 01:50:24,239
screened in advance and

2621
01:50:28,310 --> 01:50:26,639
who gave him you know who told him go

2622
01:50:30,870 --> 01:50:28,320
ahead ask that question

2623
01:50:33,270 --> 01:50:30,880
the same thing with don jr asking his

2624
01:50:35,350 --> 01:50:33,280
father about roswell

2625
01:50:36,790 --> 01:50:35,360
i don't think for a moment that it was

2626
01:50:39,910 --> 01:50:36,800
just serendipitous

2627
01:50:43,510 --> 01:50:39,920
he wanted to be asked about that

2628
01:50:47,510 --> 01:50:43,520
it was set up that way and so

2629
01:50:50,470 --> 01:50:47,520
yes i think there's every chance that

2630
01:50:52,550 --> 01:50:50,480
whether it's from the president or even

2631
01:50:55,189 --> 01:50:52,560
from the navy itself

2632
01:50:56,310 --> 01:50:55,199
as a plausible deniability on the part

2633
01:50:58,470 --> 01:50:56,320
of the president

2634
01:51:00,310 --> 01:50:58,480
that there may be this october surprise

2635
01:51:03,589 --> 01:51:00,320
regarding ufos

2636
01:51:07,189 --> 01:51:03,599
the uh the air force and uh

2637
01:51:09,189 --> 01:51:07,199
you just brought this up the focus has

2638
01:51:11,109 --> 01:51:09,199
been on the united states navy because

2639
01:51:15,350 --> 01:51:11,119
of these three videos

2640
01:51:18,709 --> 01:51:15,360
but the we have an air force

2641
01:51:21,270 --> 01:51:18,719
it's called the air force and

2642
01:51:22,629 --> 01:51:21,280
they have been strangely silent the

2643
01:51:26,390 --> 01:51:22,639
marines have their

2644
01:51:29,589 --> 01:51:26,400
own air force so does the army

2645
01:51:30,229 --> 01:51:29,599
absolutely strangely silent throughout

2646
01:51:34,070 --> 01:51:30,239
all of this

2647
01:51:37,990 --> 01:51:34,080
do you think don that because of these

2648
01:51:41,750 --> 01:51:38,000
three videos that it may be

2649
01:51:42,149 --> 01:51:41,760
prohibiting other the other branches of

2650
01:51:45,669 --> 01:51:42,159
the

2651
01:51:48,229 --> 01:51:45,679
actually

2652
01:51:49,910 --> 01:51:48,239
being more guarded with what evidence

2653
01:51:52,470 --> 01:51:49,920
they may have

2654
01:51:54,550 --> 01:51:52,480
well captain ed rubell first director

2655
01:51:55,669 --> 01:51:54,560
project blue book used to suggest that

2656
01:51:59,030 --> 01:51:55,679
the air force

2657
01:52:02,390 --> 01:51:59,040
would explain a sighting report

2658
01:52:04,950 --> 01:52:02,400
24 hours before it was even received

2659
01:52:06,550 --> 01:52:04,960
so they have a long history of

2660
01:52:09,669 --> 01:52:06,560
subterfuge

2661
01:52:13,270 --> 01:52:09,679
a just a reoccurring

2662
01:52:13,910 --> 01:52:13,280
you know involvement with the subject

2663
01:52:16,229 --> 01:52:13,920
and i don't know

2664
01:52:18,950 --> 01:52:16,239
why the air force was even a sign well

2665
01:52:21,030 --> 01:52:18,960
you're dealing with aerial phenomenon

2666
01:52:21,990 --> 01:52:21,040
yet the navy would have had greater

2667
01:52:25,430 --> 01:52:22,000
global

2668
01:52:27,750 --> 01:52:25,440
coverage the air force is only able to

2669
01:52:30,310 --> 01:52:27,760
monitor respective air space

2670
01:52:31,750 --> 01:52:30,320
whereas the navy is able to function in

2671
01:52:35,030 --> 01:52:31,760
every body of water

2672
01:52:36,390 --> 01:52:35,040
around the globe so it's long been

2673
01:52:39,669 --> 01:52:36,400
suspected that the

2674
01:52:42,870 --> 01:52:39,679
true body of investigation

2675
01:52:45,910 --> 01:52:42,880
the true archives of ufo material

2676
01:52:48,310 --> 01:52:45,920
would be with united states navy and

2677
01:52:51,510 --> 01:52:48,320
that the air force has essentially been

2678
01:52:52,390 --> 01:52:51,520
as blue book was this pr front it ran

2679
01:52:55,589 --> 01:52:52,400
interference

2680
01:52:59,669 --> 01:52:55,599
for the true actual investigation

2681
01:53:01,669 --> 01:52:59,679
and because they were the the

2682
01:53:03,430 --> 01:53:01,679
the hitmen so to speak they were the

2683
01:53:06,149 --> 01:53:03,440
fall guys who

2684
01:53:08,790 --> 01:53:06,159
essentially had to run interference and

2685
01:53:11,510 --> 01:53:08,800
explain away everything

2686
01:53:11,990 --> 01:53:11,520
they have no credibility left if the air

2687
01:53:14,149 --> 01:53:12,000
force were

2688
01:53:16,229 --> 01:53:14,159
to come out and claim well we've been

2689
01:53:18,070 --> 01:53:16,239
telling you the truth all along

2690
01:53:19,750 --> 01:53:18,080
well you haven't been telling us the

2691
01:53:21,270 --> 01:53:19,760
truth about anything that's

2692
01:53:23,030 --> 01:53:21,280
why you're up to four explanations

2693
01:53:26,870 --> 01:53:23,040
regarding roswell

2694
01:53:29,589 --> 01:53:26,880
so i'd like to believe as well that

2695
01:53:32,550 --> 01:53:29,599
the navy may also be working in

2696
01:53:34,310 --> 01:53:32,560
conjunction with the other branches

2697
01:53:35,990 --> 01:53:34,320
that because they have a solid

2698
01:53:38,470 --> 01:53:36,000
reputation

2699
01:53:40,470 --> 01:53:38,480
they uh i've often joked because i'm a

2700
01:53:43,990 --> 01:53:40,480
member of the eaa

2701
01:53:45,270 --> 01:53:44,000
and i i know so many good military

2702
01:53:49,109 --> 01:53:45,280
pilots and

2703
01:53:52,390 --> 01:53:49,119
the the raptor the f-35s and f-22s

2704
01:53:54,149 --> 01:53:52,400
you talk to them and i i love talking to

2705
01:53:56,310 --> 01:53:54,159
them and

2706
01:53:58,229 --> 01:53:56,320
you know telling them that as far as i'm

2707
01:53:59,430 --> 01:53:58,239
concerned the navy has the best pilots

2708
01:54:01,350 --> 01:53:59,440
in the world no

2709
01:54:03,350 --> 01:54:01,360
nothing personal against the air force

2710
01:54:05,910 --> 01:54:03,360
but if you're talking about the best of

2711
01:54:09,109 --> 01:54:05,920
the best you're talking about the navy

2712
01:54:10,870 --> 01:54:09,119
so maybe this is all setting itself up

2713
01:54:14,550 --> 01:54:10,880
for the first time

2714
01:54:16,870 --> 01:54:14,560
that this closure is imminent

2715
01:54:17,830 --> 01:54:16,880
that they are attempting to do this in

2716
01:54:20,629 --> 01:54:17,840
stages

2717
01:54:22,870 --> 01:54:20,639
to soften the blow but because we've all

2718
01:54:25,189 --> 01:54:22,880
grown up with this we've grown up with

2719
01:54:27,589 --> 01:54:25,199
star wars with star trek

2720
01:54:28,709 --> 01:54:27,599
you know the apollo program race to the

2721
01:54:32,310 --> 01:54:28,719
moon now

2722
01:54:35,430 --> 01:54:32,320
all the talk of the colonization of mars

2723
01:54:37,750 --> 01:54:35,440
this isn't so far-fetched

2724
01:54:38,629 --> 01:54:37,760
and any a result we're ready we're ready

2725
01:54:42,310 --> 01:54:38,639
yeah and

2726
01:54:43,270 --> 01:54:42,320
okay so it's the obvious question though

2727
01:54:46,470 --> 01:54:43,280
don

2728
01:54:49,510 --> 01:54:46,480
why now why now

2729
01:54:54,390 --> 01:54:49,520
why not last year why not next year why

2730
01:54:57,669 --> 01:54:56,229
that would be the million dollar

2731
01:55:02,390 --> 01:54:57,679
question wouldn't it

2732
01:55:05,589 --> 01:55:02,400
because there there isn't a playbook

2733
01:55:09,750 --> 01:55:05,599
that we can refer to there isn't a

2734
01:55:14,229 --> 01:55:09,760
series of activity for example

2735
01:55:16,629 --> 01:55:14,239
it was long suspected and we have great

2736
01:55:17,669 --> 01:55:16,639
reason to believe that as a result of

2737
01:55:19,830 --> 01:55:17,679
roswell

2738
01:55:21,910 --> 01:55:19,840
as a result of the encroachment of the

2739
01:55:24,149 --> 01:55:21,920
phenomenon itself

2740
01:55:26,550 --> 01:55:24,159
you had all the sightings over new

2741
01:55:29,350 --> 01:55:26,560
mexico in 1947

2742
01:55:31,669 --> 01:55:29,360
which was the hotbed of all military

2743
01:55:33,510 --> 01:55:31,679
research and testing at that time

2744
01:55:34,709 --> 01:55:33,520
not only you you had the first atomic

2745
01:55:37,350 --> 01:55:34,719
detonation

2746
01:55:37,910 --> 01:55:37,360
at uh los alamos at trinity site you had

2747
01:55:40,229 --> 01:55:37,920
ongoing

2748
01:55:41,910 --> 01:55:40,239
atomic research of los alamos you had

2749
01:55:42,790 --> 01:55:41,920
the first atomic bomb squadron at

2750
01:55:44,470 --> 01:55:42,800
roswell

2751
01:55:47,270 --> 01:55:44,480
you had all the testing of the captured

2752
01:55:49,510 --> 01:55:47,280
german v2 rockets at white sands

2753
01:55:52,070 --> 01:55:49,520
and so is it any wonder that there were

2754
01:55:54,310 --> 01:55:52,080
more ufo sightings in new mexico

2755
01:55:55,109 --> 01:55:54,320
at that time than anywhere else it's as

2756
01:55:56,629 --> 01:55:55,119
though

2757
01:55:59,430 --> 01:55:56,639
someone else was checking out our

2758
01:56:01,189 --> 01:55:59,440
military potential at that time

2759
01:56:03,990 --> 01:56:01,199
and then you had the buzzing of the

2760
01:56:06,070 --> 01:56:04,000
white house shortly thereafter

2761
01:56:07,270 --> 01:56:06,080
you know almost as although a display of

2762
01:56:10,149 --> 01:56:07,280
power

2763
01:56:10,950 --> 01:56:10,159
that they could you know literally swarm

2764
01:56:13,510 --> 01:56:10,960
right over

2765
01:56:14,950 --> 01:56:13,520
our capital and we couldn't do anything

2766
01:56:16,709 --> 01:56:14,960
about it

2767
01:56:18,870 --> 01:56:16,719
and then within a few years after that

2768
01:56:19,189 --> 01:56:18,880
you had landings and you had more and

2769
01:56:22,629 --> 01:56:19,199
more

2770
01:56:23,910 --> 01:56:22,639
occupant signings and then around 1960

2771
01:56:27,510 --> 01:56:23,920
you had actual

2772
01:56:28,310 --> 01:56:27,520
abduction cases being documented and

2773
01:56:30,709 --> 01:56:28,320
reported

2774
01:56:32,790 --> 01:56:30,719
so there's been this progression and

2775
01:56:35,510 --> 01:56:32,800
then with the hudson valley sightings in

2776
01:56:38,870 --> 01:56:35,520
the early 80s and then in 97 with

2777
01:56:41,589 --> 01:56:38,880
with phoenix lights you had displays

2778
01:56:42,149 --> 01:56:41,599
and demonstrations over large cities

2779
01:56:44,629 --> 01:56:42,159
over

2780
01:56:46,149 --> 01:56:44,639
tremendous numbers of witnesses so

2781
01:56:47,430 --> 01:56:46,159
there's been a progression with the

2782
01:56:49,910 --> 01:56:47,440
phenomenon

2783
01:56:52,629 --> 01:56:49,920
but there has not been a progression

2784
01:56:56,550 --> 01:56:52,639
with the secret keepers

2785
01:56:59,350 --> 01:56:56,560
and as a result it's not as though the

2786
01:57:01,669 --> 01:56:59,360
phenomenon has forced their hand

2787
01:57:03,669 --> 01:57:01,679
it's not as though there's been a

2788
01:57:04,470 --> 01:57:03,679
landing on the white house front lawn

2789
01:57:07,350 --> 01:57:04,480
and now they

2790
01:57:08,550 --> 01:57:07,360
have to come clean they have to respond

2791
01:57:12,470 --> 01:57:08,560
to that

2792
01:57:15,830 --> 01:57:12,480
so i think that's where we're still so

2793
01:57:18,950 --> 01:57:15,840
suspect we're still so um

2794
01:57:19,589 --> 01:57:18,960
you know cautious about what hand they

2795
01:57:22,950 --> 01:57:19,599
may play

2796
01:57:24,709 --> 01:57:22,960
next because it it has no rhyme or

2797
01:57:27,350 --> 01:57:24,719
reason

2798
01:57:28,470 --> 01:57:27,360
we'd all be guessing as to why it's

2799
01:57:31,109 --> 01:57:28,480
happening today

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01:57:31,510 --> 01:57:31,119
i don't think anybody can come up with a

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01:57:34,790 --> 01:57:31,520
uh

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01:57:36,070 --> 01:57:34,800
a logical rational explanation as to why

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01:57:39,510 --> 01:57:36,080
now

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01:57:43,109 --> 01:57:39,520
it may be uh a list of

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01:57:46,149 --> 01:57:43,119
things that are small

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01:57:49,430 --> 01:57:46,159
but right there's so many of them

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01:57:52,550 --> 01:57:49,440
that they accumulate into a big pile

2808
01:57:55,510 --> 01:57:52,560
of things that need to be responded to

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01:57:57,350 --> 01:57:55,520
i'm specifically talking about science

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01:57:59,270 --> 01:57:57,360
the size of the universe the size of the

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01:58:00,629 --> 01:57:59,280
milky way the amount of planets fast

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01:58:03,109 --> 01:58:00,639
radio bursts

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01:58:04,830 --> 01:58:03,119
uh the amount of radio telescopes and

2814
01:58:07,830 --> 01:58:04,840
telescopes that are looking to the

2815
01:58:09,830 --> 01:58:07,840
heavens maybe there's been a sighting

2816
01:58:11,990 --> 01:58:09,840
maybe with the fast radio bursts there

2817
01:58:15,830 --> 01:58:12,000
has been some communication

2818
01:58:17,589 --> 01:58:15,840
maybe governments around the world and

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washington dc

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knows of an impending event that's about

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01:58:23,189 --> 01:58:22,159
to happen and they need to get out in

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01:58:24,470 --> 01:58:23,199
front of us

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01:58:25,669 --> 01:58:24,480
maybe that's right they need to get out

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01:58:27,350 --> 01:58:25,679
in front of it i was just going to say

2825
01:58:31,510 --> 01:58:27,360
they need to be out in front

2826
01:58:34,470 --> 01:58:31,520
of something imminent something that

2827
01:58:35,589 --> 01:58:34,480
at least is a possibility and that

2828
01:58:39,430 --> 01:58:35,599
better it come from

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them than it uh

2830
01:58:44,950 --> 01:58:42,880
make its arrival right and then lucy

2831
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having a lot of explaining to do

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that's right and there's that part and

2833
01:58:50,709 --> 01:58:48,159
then there's something

2834
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else that is constantly in the back of

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my mind on

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which is the ability

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to access computer databases

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it doesn't matter if you're a bank an

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insurance company

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the military nasa a university a

2841
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hospital healthcare it doesn't matter

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you are vulnerable absolutely more than

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ever

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right and the the board

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hacker out there that's got nothing

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01:59:22,390 --> 01:59:18,880
better to do

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um and and and getting access to

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something and spilling the beans

2849
01:59:29,350 --> 01:59:26,719
uh is something that is completely out

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of their control so maybe it's best

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01:59:33,669 --> 01:59:32,000
that they do this now before it's

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something that is completely out of

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their control

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and all excellent points absolutely i

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i just feel i just feel it right i

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i fee there is a reason why we are

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having

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the alien conversation daily in media

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it just seems like there's something

2860
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stirring here

2861
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and it's it's out of their control plus

2862
02:00:00,070 --> 01:59:57,520
you have the pressure of social media

2863
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where that this is being talked about

2864
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and

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can't ignore the issue before the

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internet

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before social media don you know what

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the fight was like to get this

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conversation started

2870
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it was difficult it was very extremely

2871
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difficult you were knocking on doors you

2872
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were just trying to get them to even

2873
02:00:21,990 --> 02:00:20,000
give you the time of day

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that's why in mentioning you know at

2875
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larry king and then

2876
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as far as long john neville and then art

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bell and up until today

2878
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that these were the only forums the only

2879
02:00:36,070 --> 02:00:32,320
platforms we had

2880
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um so you are correct totally jimmy in

2881
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in in the sense that when i mentioned

2882
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earlier all the different countries i've

2883
02:00:42,709 --> 02:00:40,000
been

2884
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to and one of the key questions i will

2885
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often ask when i

2886
02:00:48,709 --> 02:00:47,040
i hear of some of the the better cases

2887
02:00:51,270 --> 02:00:48,719
in these respective

2888
02:00:53,589 --> 02:00:51,280
other nations and i'll ask were there

2889
02:00:55,669 --> 02:00:53,599
american suits present

2890
02:00:57,430 --> 02:00:55,679
and more times than not they will

2891
02:00:59,350 --> 02:00:57,440
describe yes there were

2892
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they were the ones who were doing the

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interviewing the questioning the

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interrogation of the witnesses

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they were the ones collecting the

2896
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photographs and other evidence if it was

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02:01:10,070 --> 02:01:08,000
available

2898
02:01:11,830 --> 02:01:10,080
so we've always been in the driver's

2899
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seat and i think for that reason

2900
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as well that better that we would make

2901
02:01:21,030 --> 02:01:18,480
such a grandiose announcement

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than say russia or china or any other

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country

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we have to stay in control of the

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narrative

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stay right there don we got to take a

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break don schmidt is our guest

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jimmy church tonight don schmidt

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what a great conversation this is the

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thing

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and i you know don i didn't mention this

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earlier but

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uh and i don't want to freak you out but

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uh

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i i treasure your books

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and i used to

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30 years ago i i read i read them

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over and over again and

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uh and i still have them but

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it was a reference guide i collected

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everything

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you know but especially the

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the freshness of roswell and the

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investigations that were going on

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uh predating the internet by the way oh

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yes

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where we had to get the latest books we

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and and and get them we had to see what

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was going on

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then the internet came and an art bell

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uh

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certainly showed up and the freshness of

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art bell about uh and go back and listen

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to the

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original broadcast back then art didn't

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know anything about roswell

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02:08:22,390 --> 02:08:21,599
no no right he didn't and and you

3076
02:08:25,830 --> 02:08:22,400
mentioned

3077
02:08:28,870 --> 02:08:25,840
long john neville uh a few times tonight

3078
02:08:31,030 --> 02:08:28,880
this is the thing and i want to focus on

3079
02:08:32,069 --> 02:08:31,040
this since we're going old school versus

3080
02:08:34,870 --> 02:08:32,079
new school

3081
02:08:36,470 --> 02:08:34,880
and and of course your new book uh the

3082
02:08:39,990 --> 02:08:36,480
ultimate cold case

3083
02:08:43,430 --> 02:08:40,000
is this i studied

3084
02:08:46,709 --> 02:08:43,440
long john neville and rita

3085
02:08:50,390 --> 02:08:46,719
as my witness i would spend

3086
02:08:53,750 --> 02:08:50,400
days and nights listening to all

3087
02:08:55,189 --> 02:08:53,760
of the long john nebel broadcast which

3088
02:08:58,390 --> 02:08:55,199
are out there on the internet

3089
02:09:00,550 --> 02:08:58,400
and i encourage anybody to go

3090
02:09:01,430 --> 02:09:00,560
and listen to the party line with long

3091
02:09:04,550 --> 02:09:01,440
john devil

3092
02:09:08,310 --> 02:09:04,560
who uh predating art bell

3093
02:09:11,830 --> 02:09:08,320
um or or anything else for that matter

3094
02:09:15,109 --> 02:09:11,840
he owned the united states he

3095
02:09:18,550 --> 02:09:15,119
owned overnight talk radio and he

3096
02:09:22,470 --> 02:09:18,560
started broadcasting um at midnight

3097
02:09:24,149 --> 02:09:22,480
in new york and would run to six a.m

3098
02:09:25,270 --> 02:09:24,159
right every single night of the week i

3099
02:09:26,069 --> 02:09:25,280
think that's what it was it might have

3100
02:09:29,189 --> 02:09:26,079
been 10

3101
02:09:31,910 --> 02:09:29,199
10 p.m to 6 a.m right an 8-hour

3102
02:09:32,550 --> 02:09:31,920
six-hour eight-hour broadcast but this

3103
02:09:36,870 --> 02:09:32,560
is this

3104
02:09:39,830 --> 02:09:36,880
this is the deal don i went back

3105
02:09:41,270 --> 02:09:39,840
and listened to every single ufo

3106
02:09:44,629 --> 02:09:41,280
broadcast

3107
02:09:47,189 --> 02:09:44,639
and uh of long john neville

3108
02:09:49,589 --> 02:09:47,199
there is not all of his guests and he

3109
02:09:50,870 --> 02:09:49,599
had everybody he had kehoe he had

3110
02:09:54,550 --> 02:09:50,880
everybody he had arthur c

3111
02:09:58,069 --> 02:09:54,560
clarke he had every single uh

3112
02:10:01,350 --> 02:09:58,079
uh uh ufo researcher

3113
02:10:04,069 --> 02:10:01,360
eyewitness uh on his show

3114
02:10:05,350 --> 02:10:04,079
they talked about nazi ufos and they

3115
02:10:09,270 --> 02:10:05,360
talked about

3116
02:10:12,629 --> 02:10:09,280
mount rainier

3117
02:10:15,750 --> 02:10:12,639
they talked about every ufo they talk

3118
02:10:18,950 --> 02:10:15,760
they talked about everything except

3119
02:10:22,390 --> 02:10:18,960
roswell except roswell roswell was

3120
02:10:25,430 --> 02:10:22,400
never mentioned once

3121
02:10:28,629 --> 02:10:25,440
no and that's fascinating to me

3122
02:10:30,069 --> 02:10:28,639
beyond belief so when you say the

3123
02:10:33,669 --> 02:10:30,079
ultimate cold case

3124
02:10:36,629 --> 02:10:33,679
and and cover-up they covered

3125
02:10:37,189 --> 02:10:36,639
it up all of the researchers around the

3126
02:10:39,109 --> 02:10:37,199
world

3127
02:10:40,390 --> 02:10:39,119
everybody that was covering it and long

3128
02:10:42,470 --> 02:10:40,400
john neville that was

3129
02:10:43,750 --> 02:10:42,480
on this every single night with the

3130
02:10:47,189 --> 02:10:43,760
party line

3131
02:10:50,950 --> 02:10:47,199
no roswell absolutely correct

3132
02:10:53,990 --> 02:10:50,960
they had so effectively driven home

3133
02:10:57,030 --> 02:10:54,000
the balloon explanation

3134
02:10:58,550 --> 02:10:57,040
back on july 8th of 1947. i mean they

3135
02:11:02,229 --> 02:10:58,560
took a gamble

3136
02:11:04,069 --> 02:11:02,239
they switched the entire affair from

3137
02:11:06,550 --> 02:11:04,079
roswell going up the chain of command

3138
02:11:09,510 --> 02:11:06,560
over to carson army airfield

3139
02:11:10,149 --> 02:11:09,520
in general roger ramey's office and they

3140
02:11:13,189 --> 02:11:10,159
allowed

3141
02:11:14,870 --> 02:11:13,199
one lone reporter by the name of james b

3142
02:11:17,589 --> 02:11:14,880
johnson from the fort worth star

3143
02:11:19,990 --> 02:11:17,599
telegram to take a few pictures

3144
02:11:22,870 --> 02:11:20,000
of a substituted weather balloon torn

3145
02:11:25,510 --> 02:11:22,880
and crumbled up on the general's floor

3146
02:11:26,149 --> 02:11:25,520
and with fingers crossed are the press

3147
02:11:29,510 --> 02:11:26,159
going to

3148
02:11:31,510 --> 02:11:29,520
this what what

3149
02:11:35,430 --> 02:11:31,520
what what most people don't consider and

3150
02:11:38,709 --> 02:11:35,440
i think this also applies to today

3151
02:11:41,350 --> 02:11:38,719
for that whole arrival of the flying

3152
02:11:44,470 --> 02:11:41,360
saucers in that summer of 47

3153
02:11:46,390 --> 02:11:44,480
the modern age of ufology you know began

3154
02:11:47,990 --> 02:11:46,400
the kenneth arnold sightings back on

3155
02:11:50,229 --> 02:11:48,000
june 24th and

3156
02:11:53,189 --> 02:11:50,239
just the banner headlines day after day

3157
02:11:57,430 --> 02:11:53,199
after day leading up to roswell

3158
02:11:59,750 --> 02:11:57,440
and the newspapers were conducting polls

3159
02:12:01,910 --> 02:11:59,760
you know what do we think we're dealing

3160
02:12:04,790 --> 02:12:01,920
with here

3161
02:12:07,990 --> 02:12:04,800
this new phenomenon that these people

3162
02:12:10,229 --> 02:12:08,000
are reporting that they're describing

3163
02:12:12,310 --> 02:12:10,239
that pilots are being scrambled that the

3164
02:12:13,109 --> 02:12:12,320
air force or the army air corps i should

3165
02:12:15,830 --> 02:12:13,119
say

3166
02:12:16,790 --> 02:12:15,840
are scrambling and chasing and just

3167
02:12:21,189 --> 02:12:16,800
hoping to get

3168
02:12:23,990 --> 02:12:21,199
some solution to this invasion

3169
02:12:25,189 --> 02:12:24,000
of these unknown aircraft and they were

3170
02:12:28,629 --> 02:12:25,199
looked at they were

3171
02:12:31,750 --> 02:12:28,639
seen and described as physical aircraft

3172
02:12:35,189 --> 02:12:31,760
someone else's aircraft

3173
02:12:37,830 --> 02:12:35,199
and the poles at that time the

3174
02:12:40,149 --> 02:12:37,840
majority of people believed it was our

3175
02:12:42,470 --> 02:12:40,159
own technology

3176
02:12:43,830 --> 02:12:42,480
coming two years off the atomic bomb

3177
02:12:46,709 --> 02:12:43,840
they thought hey

3178
02:12:47,589 --> 02:12:46,719
you know something atomic powered

3179
02:12:50,149 --> 02:12:47,599
propelled

3180
02:12:51,189 --> 02:12:50,159
it's got to be ours the next most

3181
02:12:55,189 --> 02:12:51,199
prevalent was

3182
02:12:58,950 --> 02:12:55,199
russian it's got to be russian

3183
02:13:01,109 --> 02:12:58,960
the smallest percentage only about

3184
02:13:02,390 --> 02:13:01,119
two to three percent of the people at

3185
02:13:04,470 --> 02:13:02,400
that time

3186
02:13:07,189 --> 02:13:04,480
believed we were dealing with something

3187
02:13:09,270 --> 02:13:07,199
from off the planet

3188
02:13:11,990 --> 02:13:09,280
so so much for everybody having this

3189
02:13:13,910 --> 02:13:12,000
knee-jerk reaction that oh my god

3190
02:13:16,950 --> 02:13:13,920
they announced they've captured a flying

3191
02:13:19,510 --> 02:13:16,960
saucer it must be from outer space

3192
02:13:20,709 --> 02:13:19,520
no they didn't believe that they thought

3193
02:13:23,830 --> 02:13:20,719
it still had to be

3194
02:13:27,669 --> 02:13:23,840
ours something made here and that's the

3195
02:13:30,310 --> 02:13:27,679
reason that the balloon was accepted

3196
02:13:31,109 --> 02:13:30,320
because it wasn't that far stretch it

3197
02:13:33,109 --> 02:13:31,119
was still

3198
02:13:35,270 --> 02:13:33,119
something conventional still still

3199
02:13:37,270 --> 02:13:35,280
something prosaic

3200
02:13:39,270 --> 02:13:37,280
and so that's why they were able to

3201
02:13:42,390 --> 02:13:39,280
contain it and cover it up

3202
02:13:43,990 --> 02:13:42,400
for those 30 years until as you know

3203
02:13:45,830 --> 02:13:44,000
jimmy the head of intelligence

3204
02:13:47,750 --> 02:13:45,840
major jesse marcel when he broke his

3205
02:13:50,790 --> 02:13:47,760
oath of

3206
02:13:51,830 --> 02:13:50,800
secrecy and he actually announced to the

3207
02:13:53,910 --> 02:13:51,840
world that

3208
02:13:55,109 --> 02:13:53,920
he had held pieces of an actual flying

3209
02:13:59,430 --> 02:13:55,119
saucer and

3210
02:14:02,709 --> 02:13:59,440
it was not made on this earth

3211
02:14:05,830 --> 02:14:02,719
the uh the evidence

3212
02:14:08,950 --> 02:14:05,840
of the historical document of

3213
02:14:09,589 --> 02:14:08,960
long john neville is is something that i

3214
02:14:13,350 --> 02:14:09,599
think is

3215
02:14:14,550 --> 02:14:13,360
very important for anybody in ufology

3216
02:14:16,550 --> 02:14:14,560
today

3217
02:14:18,310 --> 02:14:16,560
needs to go back and take a really close

3218
02:14:21,030 --> 02:14:18,320
look at because when we are talking

3219
02:14:24,149 --> 02:14:21,040
about the effectiveness of a cover-up

3220
02:14:24,950 --> 02:14:24,159
when you think about the importance of

3221
02:14:27,910 --> 02:14:24,960
somebody like

3222
02:14:29,830 --> 02:14:27,920
kenneth arnold who was on long john

3223
02:14:30,870 --> 02:14:29,840
neville's show many times and donald

3224
02:14:33,589 --> 02:14:30,880
kehoe

3225
02:14:35,109 --> 02:14:33,599
who was not only a part of the military

3226
02:14:35,750 --> 02:14:35,119
but was writing some of the most

3227
02:14:38,870 --> 02:14:35,760
important

3228
02:14:40,629 --> 02:14:38,880
books on ufology that were ever

3229
02:14:44,149 --> 02:14:40,639
published absolutely

3230
02:14:46,069 --> 02:14:44,159
right and they're coming they

3231
02:14:47,669 --> 02:14:46,079
you know kenneth arnold that was a month

3232
02:14:51,350 --> 02:14:47,679
before roswell

3233
02:14:53,669 --> 02:14:51,360
he knew about roswell he knew about that

3234
02:14:54,629 --> 02:14:53,679
but but forgot about it it was the

3235
02:14:57,350 --> 02:14:54,639
cover-up

3236
02:14:57,910 --> 02:14:57,360
donald kehoe right in the middle of all

3237
02:15:01,189 --> 02:14:57,920
of this

3238
02:15:02,629 --> 02:15:01,199
you would think that getting on long

3239
02:15:04,550 --> 02:15:02,639
john neville's show

3240
02:15:07,030 --> 02:15:04,560
that's an opportunity for any of these

3241
02:15:09,430 --> 02:15:07,040
guys to go well yeah okay there was

3242
02:15:11,270 --> 02:15:09,440
uh mount rainier right there was you

3243
02:15:12,790 --> 02:15:11,280
know there was kenneth arnold and

3244
02:15:14,629 --> 02:15:12,800
there was this and there was this but

3245
02:15:16,229 --> 02:15:14,639
there was also roswell

3246
02:15:18,310 --> 02:15:16,239
and that was a case that was covered up

3247
02:15:21,669 --> 02:15:18,320
by the military and here it is

3248
02:15:23,990 --> 02:15:21,679
but it was never mentioned once

3249
02:15:25,189 --> 02:15:24,000
and and long john neville didn't know

3250
02:15:27,910 --> 02:15:25,199
about it either

3251
02:15:30,310 --> 02:15:27,920
or he would have brought it up and they

3252
02:15:33,030 --> 02:15:30,320
were all about the controversy they were

3253
02:15:35,350 --> 02:15:33,040
about putting pressure on the air force

3254
02:15:36,950 --> 02:15:35,360
and and what was going on back then it

3255
02:15:38,390 --> 02:15:36,960
was their job and they were very

3256
02:15:41,189 --> 02:15:38,400
effective at it

3257
02:15:42,470 --> 02:15:41,199
very effective and they were the ones

3258
02:15:45,750 --> 02:15:42,480
who solely

3259
02:15:49,430 --> 02:15:45,760
investigated roswell they did not

3260
02:15:52,790 --> 02:15:49,440
allow any outside interference

3261
02:15:54,870 --> 02:15:52,800
any outside inquiry to conduct any

3262
02:15:58,550 --> 02:15:54,880
independent investigation

3263
02:16:02,790 --> 02:15:58,560
this was locked up and even

3264
02:16:06,470 --> 02:16:02,800
as to outside scientific involvement

3265
02:16:08,870 --> 02:16:06,480
they prevented as far as

3266
02:16:09,750 --> 02:16:08,880
anyone from outside the military having

3267
02:16:12,069 --> 02:16:09,760
access

3268
02:16:13,750 --> 02:16:12,079
i think that's primarily the reason that

3269
02:16:16,470 --> 02:16:13,760
they were able to

3270
02:16:17,189 --> 02:16:16,480
contain it as effectively as they did

3271
02:16:19,750 --> 02:16:17,199
all other

3272
02:16:21,350 --> 02:16:19,760
that's one of the reasons a keyhole if

3273
02:16:23,430 --> 02:16:21,360
you go back

3274
02:16:24,950 --> 02:16:23,440
even to most of his earlier writings and

3275
02:16:26,870 --> 02:16:24,960
even nightcap

3276
02:16:28,069 --> 02:16:26,880
the organization which he had founded in

3277
02:16:31,109 --> 02:16:28,079
53 or

3278
02:16:33,669 --> 02:16:31,119
57 actually they didn't believe in

3279
02:16:37,030 --> 02:16:33,679
occupant cases they didn't

3280
02:16:40,709 --> 02:16:37,040
really investigate or give any

3281
02:16:43,990 --> 02:16:40,719
credence to reports suggesting

3282
02:16:45,990 --> 02:16:44,000
pilots uh kehoe for example believed

3283
02:16:49,110 --> 02:16:46,000
that ufos flying saucers

3284
02:16:51,910 --> 02:16:49,120
were unmanned probes that they were

3285
02:16:52,549 --> 02:16:51,920
nonetheless uh from another planet but

3286
02:16:58,230 --> 02:16:52,559
that they

3287
02:17:00,870 --> 02:16:58,240
and so roswell would have been the

3288
02:17:03,190 --> 02:17:00,880
ultimate stretch not only do you have a

3289
02:17:04,150 --> 02:17:03,200
crash but you have bodies recovered that

3290
02:17:07,110 --> 02:17:04,160
type of thing

3291
02:17:07,990 --> 02:17:07,120
so kehoe was a safe bet he was a safe uh

3292
02:17:10,870 --> 02:17:08,000
you know guest

3293
02:17:12,870 --> 02:17:10,880
on not only long john neville but uh he

3294
02:17:16,549 --> 02:17:12,880
was interviewed by

3295
02:17:17,030 --> 02:17:16,559
a cbs news that time when the power went

3296
02:17:20,309 --> 02:17:17,040
out

3297
02:17:22,549 --> 02:17:20,319
that famous broadcast and it's one of

3298
02:17:26,389 --> 02:17:22,559
the reasons that even the pentagon was

3299
02:17:29,270 --> 02:17:26,399
feeding keyhole mundane cases

3300
02:17:30,070 --> 02:17:29,280
because they kept him busy they kept him

3301
02:17:33,110 --> 02:17:30,080
you know

3302
02:17:34,709 --> 02:17:33,120
as far as distracted with other activity

3303
02:17:36,950 --> 02:17:34,719
and kept him from nipping at their

3304
02:17:39,190 --> 02:17:36,960
ankles as he would have otherwise

3305
02:17:41,750 --> 02:17:39,200
so but you are absolutely correct jimmy

3306
02:17:45,030 --> 02:17:41,760
that any student of ufology needs to go

3307
02:17:47,589 --> 02:17:45,040
back and revisit where we've been and

3308
02:17:49,110 --> 02:17:47,599
they're just just wonderful

3309
02:17:52,709 --> 02:17:49,120
conversations

3310
02:17:56,230 --> 02:17:52,719
demonstrating uh as i described

3311
02:17:59,669 --> 02:17:56,240
the virgin territory the fact that the

3312
02:18:02,950 --> 02:17:59,679
the field was so devoid of answers

3313
02:18:06,549 --> 02:18:02,960
during the 50s and 60s that

3314
02:18:08,790 --> 02:18:06,559
everybody had free reign as to

3315
02:18:10,389 --> 02:18:08,800
their experiences whether you claimed

3316
02:18:12,870 --> 02:18:10,399
you went to venus

3317
02:18:14,629 --> 02:18:12,880
or you claimed that you were abducted or

3318
02:18:15,589 --> 02:18:14,639
you claimed you were visited by men in

3319
02:18:18,150 --> 02:18:15,599
black

3320
02:18:18,870 --> 02:18:18,160
john long john neville you know he gave

3321
02:18:22,230 --> 02:18:18,880
you

3322
02:18:23,349 --> 02:18:22,240
as far as a ready for him there is a

3323
02:18:25,830 --> 02:18:23,359
broadcast

3324
02:18:27,429 --> 02:18:25,840
uh i want to move on from long john i i

3325
02:18:30,309 --> 02:18:27,439
could do a whole show

3326
02:18:30,629 --> 02:18:30,319
on long john the man was phenomenal but

3327
02:18:33,830 --> 02:18:30,639
there

3328
02:18:35,349 --> 02:18:33,840
is he brings on kiho i don't know if you

3329
02:18:37,429 --> 02:18:35,359
listen to this episode

3330
02:18:38,469 --> 02:18:37,439
of the party line and for everybody out

3331
02:18:41,509 --> 02:18:38,479
there it's long

3332
02:18:43,190 --> 02:18:41,519
john neville the party line and

3333
02:18:45,589 --> 02:18:43,200
everything is is archived on the

3334
02:18:49,349 --> 02:18:45,599
internet but there's a there's a show

3335
02:18:52,469 --> 02:18:49,359
with he brings kehoe on i believe

3336
02:18:55,270 --> 02:18:52,479
the day after they cut him off

3337
02:18:55,589 --> 02:18:55,280
uh with his statements on television

3338
02:18:58,870 --> 02:18:55,599
right

3339
02:19:02,309 --> 02:18:58,880
on cbs on cbs and and kehoe

3340
02:19:04,830 --> 02:19:02,319
who's got the best voice uh to listen to

3341
02:19:06,549 --> 02:19:04,840
every objective you know any and he's

3342
02:19:09,030 --> 02:19:06,559
angry and

3343
02:19:10,190 --> 02:19:09,040
and long john brings him on the next day

3344
02:19:16,309 --> 02:19:10,200
this was

3345
02:19:17,990 --> 02:19:16,319
big deal and and that's how important

3346
02:19:20,629 --> 02:19:18,000
long john nebel was

3347
02:19:22,309 --> 02:19:20,639
this was conspiracy this was where they

3348
02:19:25,910 --> 02:19:22,319
were pulling the plug

3349
02:19:27,910 --> 02:19:25,920
as far as on the champion as far as the

3350
02:19:29,750 --> 02:19:27,920
pro-ufo side

3351
02:19:31,589 --> 02:19:29,760
and they were censoring him they were

3352
02:19:34,469 --> 02:19:31,599
not allowing him to freely speak

3353
02:19:37,190 --> 02:19:34,479
yeah they ran credits that's right

3354
02:19:42,070 --> 02:19:39,990
they cut them off oh man it's it's an

3355
02:19:43,190 --> 02:19:42,080
incredible episode to listen to don

3356
02:19:46,230 --> 02:19:43,200
kehoe

3357
02:19:48,150 --> 02:19:46,240
uh going off but this is

3358
02:19:49,750 --> 02:19:48,160
this is the situation you know we're

3359
02:19:50,710 --> 02:19:49,760
talking about long john neville and the

3360
02:19:53,590 --> 02:19:50,720
fact that

3361
02:19:54,710 --> 02:19:53,600
for for 20 25 years that he aired that

3362
02:19:57,190 --> 02:19:54,720
broadcast

3363
02:19:59,030 --> 02:19:57,200
no mention of roswell that's how

3364
02:20:02,710 --> 02:19:59,040
effective the cover-up was

3365
02:20:06,309 --> 02:20:02,720
but if we go back to july

3366
02:20:11,110 --> 02:20:06,319
6th july 7th how close were we

3367
02:20:14,830 --> 02:20:11,120
don to it not being a cover-up

3368
02:20:17,750 --> 02:20:14,840
what's interesting is uh actor john

3369
02:20:19,990 --> 02:20:17,760
delancey and i actually performed a

3370
02:20:23,190 --> 02:20:20,000
radio dramatization

3371
02:20:26,469 --> 02:20:23,200
where we time condensed

3372
02:20:32,309 --> 02:20:26,479
roswell into one day and we

3373
02:20:34,550 --> 02:20:32,319
raised as far as the possibility that

3374
02:20:37,270 --> 02:20:34,560
just imagine we ask the audience and

3375
02:20:40,710 --> 02:20:37,280
then we put on the actual

3376
02:20:42,469 --> 02:20:40,720
uh stage presentation if

3377
02:20:44,630 --> 02:20:42,479
just imagine if the witnesses wouldn't

3378
02:20:47,110 --> 02:20:44,640
have gone to the authorities

3379
02:20:48,550 --> 02:20:47,120
wouldn't have gone to the sheriff and

3380
02:20:50,870 --> 02:20:48,560
then in turn

3381
02:20:52,469 --> 02:20:50,880
went to the military what if the

3382
02:20:56,070 --> 02:20:52,479
witnesses would have first

3383
02:20:58,230 --> 02:20:56,080
gone to the press the media

3384
02:21:00,070 --> 02:20:58,240
how it could have changed everything

3385
02:21:03,670 --> 02:21:00,080
overnight

3386
02:21:06,790 --> 02:21:03,680
and then in retrospect in reality

3387
02:21:09,990 --> 02:21:06,800
the way washington the way the

3388
02:21:11,990 --> 02:21:10,000
the military shut down the press that's

3389
02:21:12,790 --> 02:21:12,000
one thing that the scoffers the

3390
02:21:16,070 --> 02:21:12,800
debunkers

3391
02:21:19,670 --> 02:21:16,080
never addressed the fact that

3392
02:21:23,030 --> 02:21:19,680
this was unprecedented the fact that

3393
02:21:25,190 --> 02:21:23,040
it had leaked to the media

3394
02:21:27,190 --> 02:21:25,200
there were there was a radio station

3395
02:21:29,270 --> 02:21:27,200
kgfl in roswell

3396
02:21:30,950 --> 02:21:29,280
that had already talked to the rancher

3397
02:21:33,429 --> 02:21:30,960
w.w brazzle

3398
02:21:34,630 --> 02:21:33,439
about what was out at that ranch all

3399
02:21:37,429 --> 02:21:34,640
that debris

3400
02:21:37,910 --> 02:21:37,439
that defied conventional explanation all

3401
02:21:42,469 --> 02:21:37,920
that

3402
02:21:45,510 --> 02:21:42,479
couldn't penetrate with a bullet

3403
02:21:47,349 --> 02:21:45,520
i-beams with strange symbology fiber

3404
02:21:47,990 --> 02:21:47,359
optic strands that were scattered

3405
02:21:50,950 --> 02:21:48,000
throughout

3406
02:21:53,429 --> 02:21:50,960
the crash site that type of thing and

3407
02:21:57,670 --> 02:21:53,439
then the talk of bodies

3408
02:21:59,830 --> 02:21:57,680
and then to be threatened by the fcc

3409
02:22:03,349 --> 02:21:59,840
to be told you'll lose your license

3410
02:22:07,030 --> 02:22:03,359
within 24 hours if you put out another

3411
02:22:09,910 --> 02:22:07,040
wire story on the subject i mean i defy

3412
02:22:12,870 --> 02:22:09,920
the debunkers to come up with another

3413
02:22:15,910 --> 02:22:12,880
you know situation where washington is

3414
02:22:17,990 --> 02:22:15,920
calling up a television or radio station

3415
02:22:19,750 --> 02:22:18,000
threatening their licenses if they put

3416
02:22:21,990 --> 02:22:19,760
out a story

3417
02:22:23,670 --> 02:22:22,000
but it happened at roswell it happened

3418
02:22:26,150 --> 02:22:23,680
repeatedly

3419
02:22:26,710 --> 02:22:26,160
so that in itself you know smacks of

3420
02:22:29,590 --> 02:22:26,720
just

3421
02:22:30,150 --> 02:22:29,600
the nature of the cover-up that the the

3422
02:22:33,190 --> 02:22:30,160
level

3423
02:22:36,630 --> 02:22:33,200
the extreme measures that they

3424
02:22:38,710 --> 02:22:36,640
went to to make sure that

3425
02:22:40,389 --> 02:22:38,720
this didn't see the light of day for the

3426
02:22:42,550 --> 02:22:40,399
next 30 years

3427
02:22:44,950 --> 02:22:42,560
and we could only speculate that if not

3428
02:22:47,110 --> 02:22:44,960
for major jess marcel

3429
02:22:49,270 --> 02:22:47,120
who had been diagnosed with your

3430
02:22:52,630 --> 02:22:49,280
terminal emphysema

3431
02:22:54,710 --> 02:22:52,640
that if not for that death sentence that

3432
02:22:56,469 --> 02:22:54,720
it may have never come out that they

3433
02:22:58,550 --> 02:22:56,479
would have all died with it

3434
02:22:59,750 --> 02:22:58,560
and it would have been cover-up you know

3435
02:23:03,750 --> 02:22:59,760
complete

3436
02:23:05,510 --> 02:23:03,760
for all time so thankfully

3437
02:23:07,429 --> 02:23:05,520
marcel opened the door that's right

3438
02:23:10,710 --> 02:23:07,439
because after

3439
02:23:12,309 --> 02:23:10,720
the uh the roswell daily record

3440
02:23:14,230 --> 02:23:12,319
and of course the announcement on the

3441
02:23:18,870 --> 02:23:14,240
radio uh

3442
02:23:21,270 --> 02:23:18,880
that went out uh at that point in 1947

3443
02:23:22,950 --> 02:23:21,280
uh kenneth arnold flying saucers

3444
02:23:25,670 --> 02:23:22,960
established sightings

3445
02:23:26,950 --> 02:23:25,680
uh pretty i wouldn't call it hysteria

3446
02:23:29,190 --> 02:23:26,960
but certainly the

3447
02:23:30,150 --> 02:23:29,200
the united states and the rest of the

3448
02:23:33,030 --> 02:23:30,160
world was

3449
02:23:35,110 --> 02:23:33,040
very aware of the subject but then this

3450
02:23:38,150 --> 02:23:35,120
announcement comes out of roswell

3451
02:23:40,230 --> 02:23:38,160
every single journalist uh

3452
02:23:41,830 --> 02:23:40,240
every single newspaper every news

3453
02:23:46,469 --> 02:23:41,840
organization televis

3454
02:23:49,750 --> 02:23:46,479
had uh uh reporters enroute to roswell

3455
02:23:52,550 --> 02:23:49,760
it was a mad dash across this country

3456
02:23:53,429 --> 02:23:52,560
and then the plug was pulled within 24

3457
02:23:55,670 --> 02:23:53,439
hours

3458
02:23:56,550 --> 02:23:55,680
and those reporters didn't get a chance

3459
02:23:58,950 --> 02:23:56,560
to converge

3460
02:23:59,990 --> 02:23:58,960
on roswell they turned around and went

3461
02:24:03,190 --> 02:24:00,000
back home

3462
02:24:07,349 --> 02:24:03,200
were

3463
02:24:11,030 --> 02:24:07,359
ingenious

3464
02:24:14,950 --> 02:24:11,040
they were in manipulating

3465
02:24:15,670 --> 02:24:14,960
and maneuvering this the evolution for

3466
02:24:17,830 --> 02:24:15,680
example

3467
02:24:19,349 --> 02:24:17,840
from the actual flying saucer which they

3468
02:24:23,349 --> 02:24:19,359
announced at noon

3469
02:24:24,790 --> 02:24:23,359
mountain time on july 8 of 1947 and

3470
02:24:28,469 --> 02:24:24,800
within five hours

3471
02:24:31,349 --> 02:24:28,479
to watch even the ap wire

3472
02:24:32,790 --> 02:24:31,359
service at that time the bulletins that

3473
02:24:36,230 --> 02:24:32,800
went out minute by

3474
02:24:37,190 --> 02:24:36,240
minute and to watch it evolve from the

3475
02:24:38,870 --> 02:24:37,200
saucer

3476
02:24:40,630 --> 02:24:38,880
into the weather balloon it was

3477
02:24:42,550 --> 02:24:40,640
masterful

3478
02:24:44,790 --> 02:24:42,560
they got away with it the press release

3479
02:24:45,830 --> 02:24:44,800
that went out they only mentioned major

3480
02:24:48,469 --> 02:24:45,840
marcel

3481
02:24:50,230 --> 02:24:48,479
well he's conveniently gone from roswell

3482
02:24:52,790 --> 02:24:50,240
he's sent to fort worth

3483
02:24:54,469 --> 02:24:52,800
because general raymie has a press

3484
02:24:57,270 --> 02:24:54,479
conference that he wants him

3485
02:24:58,070 --> 02:24:57,280
to attend with the substituted weather

3486
02:24:59,590 --> 02:24:58,080
balloon

3487
02:25:01,510 --> 02:24:59,600
the base commander colonel william

3488
02:25:02,790 --> 02:25:01,520
blanchard he's conveniently gone on

3489
02:25:04,469 --> 02:25:02,800
leave

3490
02:25:06,710 --> 02:25:04,479
when reality he set up a base of

3491
02:25:08,230 --> 02:25:06,720
operation at the crash site but he's not

3492
02:25:10,550 --> 02:25:08,240
available as well

3493
02:25:12,870 --> 02:25:10,560
and then the rancher now just imagine

3494
02:25:15,110 --> 02:25:12,880
this ladies and gentlemen

3495
02:25:19,030 --> 02:25:15,120
when does the united states military

3496
02:25:22,070 --> 02:25:19,040
have any authority over civilians

3497
02:25:23,830 --> 02:25:22,080
only when martial law was declared well

3498
02:25:24,870 --> 02:25:23,840
there was no martial law declared at

3499
02:25:27,030 --> 02:25:24,880
roswell it would just

3500
02:25:28,630 --> 02:25:27,040
it would have drawn even more attention

3501
02:25:30,710 --> 02:25:28,640
to the affairs so they

3502
02:25:33,270 --> 02:25:30,720
they played it as close to the best as

3503
02:25:36,469 --> 02:25:33,280
they could but nonetheless

3504
02:25:38,870 --> 02:25:36,479
they abducted the rancher they kept them

3505
02:25:41,190 --> 02:25:38,880
for five days at the ranch they wouldn't

3506
02:25:43,030 --> 02:25:41,200
at the base they wouldn't even provide

3507
02:25:44,790 --> 02:25:43,040
him due process they didn't allow him to

3508
02:25:46,710 --> 02:25:44,800
even call his own wife

3509
02:25:48,070 --> 02:25:46,720
to let her know that he was safe and

3510
02:25:48,950 --> 02:25:48,080
that he was in the custody of the

3511
02:25:51,750 --> 02:25:48,960
military

3512
02:25:53,349 --> 02:25:51,760
but that he'd be home at some point that

3513
02:25:55,429 --> 02:25:53,359
was to a civilian

3514
02:25:57,349 --> 02:25:55,439
and that's what they did to the very

3515
02:25:59,670 --> 02:25:57,359
source of the story

3516
02:26:00,870 --> 02:25:59,680
the one who led them out to where this

3517
02:26:03,110 --> 02:26:00,880
all happened

3518
02:26:04,790 --> 02:26:03,120
and then he was repaid with being

3519
02:26:07,429 --> 02:26:04,800
subjected to a full

3520
02:26:08,950 --> 02:26:07,439
body cavity searched by the army because

3521
02:26:10,389 --> 02:26:08,960
they were making sure

3522
02:26:12,230 --> 02:26:10,399
he didn't have pieces of a weather

3523
02:26:15,270 --> 02:26:12,240
balloon where they shouldn't be

3524
02:26:16,550 --> 02:26:15,280
and if you believe that i'm sorry you're

3525
02:26:19,349 --> 02:26:16,560
wasting my time

3526
02:26:20,950 --> 02:26:19,359
and i would rather we wouldn't even

3527
02:26:24,389 --> 02:26:20,960
discuss the situation well

3528
02:26:26,550 --> 02:26:24,399
and when when somebody says to me and

3529
02:26:28,630 --> 02:26:26,560
and in most cases quite innocently

3530
02:26:29,830 --> 02:26:28,640
because they don't understand but

3531
02:26:31,590 --> 02:26:29,840
somebody says you know what the

3532
02:26:32,469 --> 02:26:31,600
military's too big there's too many

3533
02:26:35,110 --> 02:26:32,479
people involved

3534
02:26:36,230 --> 02:26:35,120
you can't keep it secret you can't keep

3535
02:26:40,710 --> 02:26:36,240
it secret like that

3536
02:26:43,990 --> 02:26:40,720
i go if there's roswell they kept

3537
02:26:47,030 --> 02:26:44,000
they kept that on lockdown it was

3538
02:26:48,870 --> 02:26:47,040
it was only jesse marcel that uh that

3539
02:26:50,389 --> 02:26:48,880
that brought this thing forward if it

3540
02:26:52,710 --> 02:26:50,399
wasn't for jesse

3541
02:26:54,790 --> 02:26:52,720
that's it that thing dies on the vine

3542
02:26:55,830 --> 02:26:54,800
they effectively covered it up look at

3543
02:26:59,030 --> 02:26:55,840
long john neville

3544
02:27:01,270 --> 02:26:59,040
case closed totally effectively and

3545
02:27:02,389 --> 02:27:01,280
as anyone with military you know

3546
02:27:05,469 --> 02:27:02,399
military background

3547
02:27:07,750 --> 02:27:05,479
understands the chain of command the the

3548
02:27:11,030 --> 02:27:07,760
compartmentalization of the military

3549
02:27:12,389 --> 02:27:11,040
and it's always been that way and it's

3550
02:27:14,389 --> 02:27:12,399
one of the reasons that even the

3551
02:27:15,190 --> 02:27:14,399
president of the united states isn't

3552
02:27:18,469 --> 02:27:15,200
briefed on

3553
02:27:20,309 --> 02:27:18,479
every top secret situation because

3554
02:27:22,469 --> 02:27:20,319
you need a hundred people in the same

3555
02:27:23,349 --> 02:27:22,479
room to put together one project to put

3556
02:27:26,389 --> 02:27:23,359
together

3557
02:27:27,349 --> 02:27:26,399
one situation everybody has a piece of

3558
02:27:30,070 --> 02:27:27,359
the puzzle

3559
02:27:31,349 --> 02:27:30,080
so nobody becomes a primary target you

3560
02:27:35,510 --> 02:27:31,359
know of our enemies

3561
02:27:38,230 --> 02:27:35,520
you need the whole as far as blueprint

3562
02:27:39,110 --> 02:27:38,240
the whole schematic to come up with the

3563
02:27:41,510 --> 02:27:39,120
answers

3564
02:27:43,750 --> 02:27:41,520
and the same with roswell i can't

3565
02:27:46,230 --> 02:27:43,760
provide you with a tissue sample i can't

3566
02:27:48,150 --> 02:27:46,240
provide you with a fragment of the craft

3567
02:27:49,750 --> 02:27:48,160
i don't even know where they are but the

3568
02:27:52,630 --> 02:27:49,760
point being

3569
02:27:53,750 --> 02:27:52,640
unless i only you know unless i can only

3570
02:27:55,429 --> 02:27:53,760
tell you a story

3571
02:27:57,510 --> 02:27:55,439
that's all i can tell you it's just

3572
02:28:00,070 --> 02:27:57,520
anecdotal it's just again

3573
02:28:01,830 --> 02:28:00,080
eyewitness testimony but i can't provide

3574
02:28:05,270 --> 02:28:01,840
you with the physical proof

3575
02:28:06,469 --> 02:28:05,280
and therein also lies the cover-up the

3576
02:28:10,070 --> 02:28:06,479
fact that

3577
02:28:11,590 --> 02:28:10,080
as we dramatized in the roswell movie

3578
02:28:13,429 --> 02:28:11,600
which was based on our first book that

3579
02:28:16,790 --> 02:28:13,439
we did with showtime

3580
02:28:18,950 --> 02:28:16,800
and the jesse marcel character is

3581
02:28:21,190 --> 02:28:18,960
portrayed by actor kyle mclaughlin and

3582
02:28:26,070 --> 02:28:21,200
he's talking with a deep throat source

3583
02:28:27,830 --> 02:28:26,080
by actor uh robert um martin sheen and

3584
02:28:29,990 --> 02:28:27,840
they're in a hangar together

3585
02:28:32,469 --> 02:28:30,000
and sheen is telling him everything it's

3586
02:28:35,910 --> 02:28:32,479
all true it's all true

3587
02:28:39,270 --> 02:28:35,920
and then jesse asks well what about 1947

3588
02:28:42,870 --> 02:28:39,280
what about roswell i was there

3589
02:28:46,389 --> 02:28:42,880
i saw it and she goes why jesse

3590
02:28:49,429 --> 02:28:46,399
that was just a weather balloon no it

3591
02:28:50,230 --> 02:28:49,439
wasn't i held it in my hands and sheen

3592
02:28:52,950 --> 02:28:50,240
goes

3593
02:28:53,670 --> 02:28:52,960
you go ahead jesse you tell the world

3594
02:28:56,710 --> 02:28:53,680
you tell them

3595
02:28:59,830 --> 02:28:56,720
everything you have no

3596
02:29:00,710 --> 02:28:59,840
proof and that's the trump card that the

3597
02:29:04,790 --> 02:29:00,720
government

3598
02:29:08,710 --> 02:29:04,800
slash air force has had now for 73 years

3599
02:29:11,910 --> 02:29:08,720
we have no physical proof

3600
02:29:15,270 --> 02:29:11,920
was that was that the beginning of

3601
02:29:18,070 --> 02:29:15,280
the art of the cover-up right

3602
02:29:19,750 --> 02:29:18,080
in that yes because before that they

3603
02:29:22,870 --> 02:29:19,760
hadn't gone through this yet

3604
02:29:25,349 --> 02:29:22,880
and and they slipped up they slipped up

3605
02:29:27,110 --> 02:29:25,359
when they when they issued their own

3606
02:29:28,309 --> 02:29:27,120
press release and when they did that

3607
02:29:31,270 --> 02:29:28,319
press release you know

3608
02:29:31,670 --> 02:29:31,280
line by line word for word that thing

3609
02:29:34,469 --> 02:29:31,680
was

3610
02:29:35,030 --> 02:29:34,479
poured over approved and up the chain of

3611
02:29:37,429 --> 02:29:35,040
command

3612
02:29:39,830 --> 02:29:37,439
okay this is this is what we're going to

3613
02:29:43,750 --> 02:29:39,840
release because at that time

3614
02:29:46,870 --> 02:29:43,760
don the most secret place in the world

3615
02:29:48,790 --> 02:29:46,880
was roswell was roswell that that's

3616
02:29:52,070 --> 02:29:48,800
where the atomic secrets

3617
02:29:55,830 --> 02:29:52,080
were held period end of story

3618
02:29:58,790 --> 02:29:55,840
well for them to do the press release

3619
02:29:59,910 --> 02:29:58,800
of from the most secret location in the

3620
02:30:02,550 --> 02:29:59,920
world

3621
02:30:04,230 --> 02:30:02,560
that that press release was intentional

3622
02:30:07,429 --> 02:30:04,240
it was intentional absolutely

3623
02:30:10,309 --> 02:30:07,439
it was by design it was scripted and

3624
02:30:10,710 --> 02:30:10,319
and quite simply for this reason there

3625
02:30:13,830 --> 02:30:10,720
was

3626
02:30:17,830 --> 02:30:13,840
actual wreckage there were pieces

3627
02:30:21,750 --> 02:30:17,840
fragments from the crash in washington

3628
02:30:24,710 --> 02:30:21,760
by sunday evening july 6th

3629
02:30:26,389 --> 02:30:24,720
the press release did not go out until

3630
02:30:30,070 --> 02:30:26,399
tuesday

3631
02:30:32,309 --> 02:30:30,080
noon mountain time july 8th

3632
02:30:33,510 --> 02:30:32,319
this was no knee knee-jerk reaction this

3633
02:30:35,910 --> 02:30:33,520
was no slip

3634
02:30:36,790 --> 02:30:35,920
up as far as on the part of roswell they

3635
02:30:39,270 --> 02:30:36,800
had a full

3636
02:30:40,389 --> 02:30:39,280
day and a half to put this together and

3637
02:30:43,670 --> 02:30:40,399
it worked

3638
02:30:45,429 --> 02:30:43,680
masterfully they took a huge risk but it

3639
02:30:49,910 --> 02:30:45,439
worked

3640
02:30:53,030 --> 02:30:49,920
and so and what i'm getting to

3641
02:30:54,630 --> 02:30:53,040
is because of that and the way it was

3642
02:30:57,510 --> 02:30:54,640
released

3643
02:30:58,870 --> 02:30:57,520
now they have to figure out how to

3644
02:31:02,309 --> 02:30:58,880
unrelease it

3645
02:31:05,270 --> 02:31:02,319
now we've got to cover this up and

3646
02:31:07,349 --> 02:31:05,280
is this the method of operation since

3647
02:31:10,710 --> 02:31:07,359
then

3648
02:31:13,349 --> 02:31:10,720
well say for example the air force would

3649
02:31:16,389 --> 02:31:13,359
come out with any type of

3650
02:31:18,630 --> 02:31:16,399
pronouncement in the near future it

3651
02:31:19,270 --> 02:31:18,640
would just be explanation number five

3652
02:31:21,670 --> 02:31:19,280
wouldn't it

3653
02:31:23,429 --> 02:31:21,680
regarding rock as well right and so i

3654
02:31:25,990 --> 02:31:23,439
wouldn't believe them any more

3655
02:31:27,349 --> 02:31:26,000
than i i still always come back to the

3656
02:31:29,670 --> 02:31:27,359
witnesses

3657
02:31:31,830 --> 02:31:29,680
it would be one thing if they would were

3658
02:31:33,429 --> 02:31:31,840
to actually come out with the physical

3659
02:31:34,630 --> 02:31:33,439
evidence that's what it's going to take

3660
02:31:36,630 --> 02:31:34,640
with the air force

3661
02:31:39,830 --> 02:31:36,640
they are going to have to provide their

3662
02:31:43,030 --> 02:31:42,710
oh i think we lost you don oh i'm still

3663
02:31:45,110 --> 02:31:43,040
here

3664
02:31:46,630 --> 02:31:45,120
oh yeah you cut off okay say that last

3665
02:31:49,110 --> 02:31:46,640
sentence no there

3666
02:31:52,710 --> 02:31:49,120
the air force this time will have to

3667
02:31:59,830 --> 02:31:56,230
and the the reason uh

3668
02:32:02,389 --> 02:31:59,840
the reason for how do i say this

3669
02:32:02,950 --> 02:32:02,399
the reason for explanations that

3670
02:32:05,910 --> 02:32:02,960
happened

3671
02:32:07,190 --> 02:32:05,920
after roswell they all seem to follow

3672
02:32:10,230 --> 02:32:07,200
the same pattern

3673
02:32:11,510 --> 02:32:10,240
right yes but but that was what was

3674
02:32:13,429 --> 02:32:11,520
learned from roswell

3675
02:32:14,630 --> 02:32:13,439
right they bought the weather balloon

3676
02:32:17,590 --> 02:32:14,640
story

3677
02:32:18,230 --> 02:32:17,600
on the same theme it's the same balloon

3678
02:32:20,469 --> 02:32:18,240
but just

3679
02:32:21,910 --> 02:32:20,479
it's part of a different project the

3680
02:32:23,990 --> 02:32:21,920
crash dummies

3681
02:32:25,990 --> 02:32:24,000
you know it's a it's it's a non-starter

3682
02:32:28,550 --> 02:32:26,000
it was five years removed

3683
02:32:30,950 --> 02:32:28,560
project high dive you know it didn't

3684
02:32:32,710 --> 02:32:30,960
even originate until 1952.

3685
02:32:34,630 --> 02:32:32,720
curious that when the pentagon came out

3686
02:32:37,510 --> 02:32:34,640
with that 97

3687
02:32:39,590 --> 02:32:37,520
and they were you know claiming that uh

3688
02:32:42,389 --> 02:32:39,600
well all those witnesses happened to be

3689
02:32:44,070 --> 02:32:42,399
in roswell still in 52

3690
02:32:45,990 --> 02:32:44,080
well when we demonstrated to the

3691
02:32:46,790 --> 02:32:46,000
pentagon we sent the facts immediately

3692
02:32:49,750 --> 02:32:46,800
to the

3693
02:32:52,469 --> 02:32:49,760
pentagon demonstrating that all of our

3694
02:32:53,830 --> 02:32:52,479
body witnesses were no longer in roswell

3695
02:32:57,910 --> 02:32:53,840
in 1952

3696
02:33:00,950 --> 02:32:57,920
so again yep you know it's a non-starter

3697
02:33:01,590 --> 02:33:00,960
i remember uh you're gonna enjoy this i

3698
02:33:03,349 --> 02:33:01,600
remember i

3699
02:33:04,630 --> 02:33:03,359
i lived in chicago at the time i was in

3700
02:33:07,830 --> 02:33:04,640
waukegan

3701
02:33:10,550 --> 02:33:07,840
and i'm a kid looking into the

3702
02:33:13,590 --> 02:33:10,560
ufo stuff and uh blue book was just

3703
02:33:16,630 --> 02:33:13,600
closed down this is 70 71.

3704
02:33:21,429 --> 02:33:16,640
and all over

3705
02:33:24,389 --> 02:33:21,439
uh that part of the country are swamps

3706
02:33:26,710 --> 02:33:24,399
right i had we had we had the most

3707
02:33:28,469 --> 02:33:26,720
awesome swamp behind our elementary

3708
02:33:30,309 --> 02:33:28,479
schools called the swamp

3709
02:33:34,070 --> 02:33:30,319
yeah and we go out there and just catch

3710
02:33:36,230 --> 02:33:34,080
frogs and and do things and tadpoles and

3711
02:33:38,550 --> 02:33:36,240
uh crawfish and all that you know the

3712
02:33:40,950 --> 02:33:38,560
things that you find in the swamp anyway

3713
02:33:42,389 --> 02:33:40,960
so i'm reading about michigan and and

3714
02:33:45,590 --> 02:33:42,399
swamp gas

3715
02:33:48,150 --> 02:33:45,600
right and and i remember i'm young i'm

3716
02:33:51,429 --> 02:33:48,160
young i'm like eight nine years old

3717
02:33:54,710 --> 02:33:51,439
going swamp gas

3718
02:33:57,670 --> 02:33:54,720
right okay all right i guess

3719
02:33:59,190 --> 02:33:57,680
i've never seen swamp cast i watched

3720
02:34:02,309 --> 02:33:59,200
that swamp

3721
02:34:05,510 --> 02:34:02,319
for swamp gas right

3722
02:34:09,190 --> 02:34:05,520
i wanted to see what swamp gas really

3723
02:34:14,070 --> 02:34:09,200
was right right before uh

3724
02:34:16,710 --> 02:34:14,080
that explanation in 66 or 67

3725
02:34:17,750 --> 02:34:16,720
is there any reference in the historical

3726
02:34:21,349 --> 02:34:17,760
record don

3727
02:34:24,550 --> 02:34:21,359
of swamp gas prior to that

3728
02:34:26,630 --> 02:34:24,560
yes yes and in fact as i

3729
02:34:27,670 --> 02:34:26,640
described earlier in the program it was

3730
02:34:30,150 --> 02:34:27,680
the the

3731
02:34:31,030 --> 02:34:30,160
one explanation that heinek never lived

3732
02:34:33,110 --> 02:34:31,040
down

3733
02:34:35,510 --> 02:34:33,120
it did not apply to the student

3734
02:34:38,870 --> 02:34:35,520
sightings at the university

3735
02:34:42,469 --> 02:34:38,880
it it only was meant to explain a

3736
02:34:46,150 --> 02:34:42,479
local farmer's observation that same

3737
02:34:47,910 --> 02:34:46,160
night and it's it's it's simply a case

3738
02:34:49,830 --> 02:34:47,920
of temperature inversion that

3739
02:34:52,150 --> 02:34:49,840
when the dew point when the humidity

3740
02:34:55,670 --> 02:34:52,160
level is at the same

3741
02:34:59,190 --> 02:34:55,680
degree as the temperature

3742
02:35:00,870 --> 02:34:59,200
that you can get almost like a light fog

3743
02:35:04,790 --> 02:35:00,880
that will lift off

3744
02:35:07,910 --> 02:35:04,800
from a bog from a a marsh area

3745
02:35:11,429 --> 02:35:07,920
and if surrounding lights like like uh

3746
02:35:13,510 --> 02:35:11,439
like passing headlights should strike it

3747
02:35:14,870 --> 02:35:13,520
it will create almost like a luminous

3748
02:35:18,150 --> 02:35:14,880
orb like a luminous

3749
02:35:20,630 --> 02:35:18,160
uh reflection of sorts

3750
02:35:24,469 --> 02:35:20,640
you're being kind right now you've never

3751
02:35:28,309 --> 02:35:26,790
because heinick was stretching it i know

3752
02:35:30,070 --> 02:35:28,319
i know i would love for

3753
02:35:31,510 --> 02:35:30,080
somebody to call me and go yeah i've

3754
02:35:33,270 --> 02:35:31,520
seen swamp gas

3755
02:35:34,710 --> 02:35:33,280
all right well tell me all about that

3756
02:35:37,910 --> 02:35:34,720
i've never i've never

3757
02:35:38,950 --> 02:35:37,920
heard anybody talk about seeing swamp

3758
02:35:42,230 --> 02:35:38,960
gas

3759
02:35:45,349 --> 02:35:42,240
and how many lakes are in wisconsin

3760
02:35:48,309 --> 02:35:45,359
how many lakes are in northern illinois

3761
02:35:48,630 --> 02:35:48,319
yes yes right in fact the community that

3762
02:35:52,230 --> 02:35:48,640
i'm

3763
02:35:55,510 --> 02:35:52,240
in of 12 000 people

3764
02:35:58,630 --> 02:35:55,520
we have uh four lakes and

3765
02:35:59,349 --> 02:35:58,640
uh we are surrounded by uh additional

3766
02:36:02,950 --> 02:35:59,359
lakes so

3767
02:36:07,190 --> 02:36:02,960
um there are just a

3768
02:36:11,429 --> 02:36:07,200
tremendous open swamp areas marsh areas

3769
02:36:14,070 --> 02:36:11,439
and um any swamp gas sightings last week

3770
02:36:14,790 --> 02:36:14,080
there'll be a fog at times but as far as

3771
02:36:17,349 --> 02:36:14,800
uh no

3772
02:36:19,110 --> 02:36:17,359
no no i i've raised the same question

3773
02:36:21,990 --> 02:36:19,120
but keeping in mind that

3774
02:36:24,710 --> 02:36:22,000
the the the the washington dc

3775
02:36:28,070 --> 02:36:24,720
overflights in july of 52.

3776
02:36:30,309 --> 02:36:28,080
the explanation there was basically um

3777
02:36:32,630 --> 02:36:30,319
temperature inversion right you know

3778
02:36:36,469 --> 02:36:32,640
that they were seeing orbs of gas

3779
02:36:39,190 --> 02:36:36,479
as far as a fog that they mistook as

3780
02:36:42,230 --> 02:36:39,200
being aerial aircraft aerial craft

3781
02:36:43,830 --> 02:36:42,240
and um so it was in their in their

3782
02:36:45,110 --> 02:36:43,840
handbook and that's what they

3783
02:36:48,309 --> 02:36:45,120
heinek was to come up with an

3784
02:36:50,630 --> 02:36:48,319
explanation and he was forced to do that

3785
02:36:54,309 --> 02:36:50,640
have you done i've never asked you this

3786
02:36:56,950 --> 02:36:54,319
have you ever had your own ufo sighting

3787
02:36:58,150 --> 02:36:56,960
no i think we've all seen lights in the

3788
02:37:01,510 --> 02:36:58,160
sky we've all seen

3789
02:37:03,030 --> 02:37:01,520
things that may be you know were of a

3790
02:37:06,870 --> 02:37:03,040
curious nature

3791
02:37:07,670 --> 02:37:06,880
but not anything that i would write home

3792
02:37:11,110 --> 02:37:07,680
about and i

3793
02:37:14,309 --> 02:37:11,120
envy your such as yourself for having

3794
02:37:16,550 --> 02:37:14,319
seen something in such close proximity

3795
02:37:17,510 --> 02:37:16,560
and having so many additional people to

3796
02:37:21,030 --> 02:37:17,520
corroborate

3797
02:37:23,349 --> 02:37:21,040
what you witness so uh hopefully someday

3798
02:37:25,349 --> 02:37:23,359
but at least it too would demonstrate

3799
02:37:28,230 --> 02:37:25,359
that i come into this honestly

3800
02:37:29,429 --> 02:37:28,240
it's not again that i was affected i was

3801
02:37:32,630 --> 02:37:29,439
influenced by

3802
02:37:35,750 --> 02:37:32,640
a personal experience right is that uh

3803
02:37:38,469 --> 02:37:35,760
i just where the the likes of

3804
02:37:40,309 --> 02:37:38,479
james magaha the air force in their

3805
02:37:41,750 --> 02:37:40,319
argument that there's no such thing as a

3806
02:37:43,990 --> 02:37:41,760
reliable witness

3807
02:37:46,630 --> 02:37:44,000
oh my god all of recorded history is

3808
02:37:50,469 --> 02:37:46,640
based on eyewitness testimony

3809
02:37:54,389 --> 02:37:50,479
every story every book every you know

3810
02:37:57,990 --> 02:37:54,399
historical account in all of mankind's

3811
02:37:58,790 --> 02:37:58,000
you know being here on this little speck

3812
02:38:02,309 --> 02:37:58,800
of earth

3813
02:38:05,349 --> 02:38:02,319
is based on eyewitness testimony

3814
02:38:06,710 --> 02:38:05,359
and if you want to throw out all ufo

3815
02:38:08,630 --> 02:38:06,720
observation you're going to have to

3816
02:38:11,110 --> 02:38:08,640
throw out everything else

3817
02:38:11,670 --> 02:38:11,120
and we can't do that clearly thank you

3818
02:38:14,630 --> 02:38:11,680
so much

3819
02:38:15,750 --> 02:38:14,640
don and uh uh give my best to tom how's

3820
02:38:19,510 --> 02:38:15,760
tom doing

3821
02:38:19,830 --> 02:38:19,520
tom is fine he's uh uh anxious in fact

3822
02:38:21,270 --> 02:38:19,840
uh

3823
02:38:23,590 --> 02:38:21,280
you probably should do something with

3824
02:38:25,510 --> 02:38:23,600
him in the near future because uh

3825
02:38:28,150 --> 02:38:25,520
he's especially been shut down just as

3826
02:38:31,030 --> 02:38:28,160
you have been in la and he's right south

3827
02:38:32,230 --> 02:38:31,040
outside of philly and i'm out in the

3828
02:38:35,590 --> 02:38:32,240
country and we

3829
02:38:38,070 --> 02:38:35,600
pretty much have been open since mid-may

3830
02:38:39,349 --> 02:38:38,080
our restaurants our stores everything so

3831
02:38:42,710 --> 02:38:39,359
in many respects

3832
02:38:45,830 --> 02:38:42,720
things are going on as usual

3833
02:38:46,710 --> 02:38:45,840
well so again just just just keep doing

3834
02:38:50,070 --> 02:38:46,720
what you're doing

3835
02:38:52,070 --> 02:38:50,080
and it's just an honor uh to call you

3836
02:38:54,389 --> 02:38:52,080
friend and to have you come on

3837
02:38:56,150 --> 02:38:54,399
uh the show and and hang out uh with the

3838
02:38:59,349 --> 02:38:56,160
audience it's just uh

3839
02:38:59,910 --> 02:38:59,359
uh it's an event for me so thank you so

3840
02:39:02,230 --> 02:38:59,920
much don

3841
02:39:04,550 --> 02:39:02,240
paul you're so kind and we will do

3842
02:39:06,230 --> 02:39:04,560
something here at the ranch at some time

3843
02:39:07,910 --> 02:39:06,240
in the future man i'm telling you right

3844
02:39:11,270 --> 02:39:07,920
now this is the thing

3845
02:39:12,469 --> 02:39:11,280
with that um i'm we're going to show up

3846
02:39:14,870 --> 02:39:12,479
we're going to do something there but

3847
02:39:16,469 --> 02:39:14,880
i'm going to bring my night vision gear

3848
02:39:19,190 --> 02:39:16,479
we're going to go out and we're going to

3849
02:39:21,110 --> 02:39:19,200
hang out in a couple of lounge chairs

3850
02:39:22,550 --> 02:39:21,120
and we're going to lie on our backs and

3851
02:39:25,510 --> 02:39:22,560
look at the stars

3852
02:39:26,469 --> 02:39:25,520
and and and see something on your

3853
02:39:29,750 --> 02:39:26,479
property

3854
02:39:31,910 --> 02:39:29,760
and you'll finally be able to say i saw

3855
02:39:35,670 --> 02:39:31,920
something

3856
02:39:37,830 --> 02:39:35,680
right don schmidt thank you so much john

3857
02:39:39,830 --> 02:39:37,840
enjoy the rest of your night friend talk

3858
02:39:42,230 --> 02:39:39,840
to you soon you got it don thank you so

3859
02:39:42,550 --> 02:39:42,240
much and with that i'm going to take a

3860
02:39:44,150 --> 02:39:42,560
break

3861
02:39:46,710 --> 02:39:44,160
i blew right through the commercial

3862
02:39:47,510 --> 02:39:46,720
break because it's don schmidt and i'll

3863
02:39:50,469 --> 02:39:47,520
only do it

3864
02:39:52,309 --> 02:39:50,479
because it's don schmidt all of don's

3865
02:39:54,950 --> 02:39:52,319
links to all of his books

3866
02:39:55,990 --> 02:39:54,960
are right there at jimmychurchradio.com

3867
02:39:58,309 --> 02:39:56,000
click

3868
02:39:59,590 --> 02:39:58,319
the new book which is roswell the

3869
02:40:01,429 --> 02:39:59,600
ultimate cold case

3870
02:40:03,190 --> 02:40:01,439
eyewitness testimony and evidence of

3871
02:40:05,510 --> 02:40:03,200
contact and the cover-up

3872
02:40:07,830 --> 02:40:05,520
co-authored with thomas carey the links

3873
02:40:09,590 --> 02:40:07,840
are right there at jimmychurchradio.com

3874
02:40:11,030 --> 02:40:09,600
i'm going to take a break and come back

3875
02:40:25,750 --> 02:40:11,040
and take some of your phone calls stay

3876
02:40:30,070 --> 02:40:28,070
hey what up y'all biblical fox here and

3877
02:40:35,269 --> 02:40:30,080
you are listening to my boy

3878
02:40:38,550 --> 02:40:35,279
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3879
02:40:45,830 --> 02:40:38,560
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3880
02:40:49,590 --> 02:40:47,510
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3881
02:40:52,790 --> 02:40:49,600
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3882
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3883
02:40:56,030 --> 02:40:53,520
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3884
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3886
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3888
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3890
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3893
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3895
02:41:26,790 --> 02:41:25,439
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3896
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3897
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3898
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3899
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3900
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3901
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3902
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3903
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3904
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[Music]

3961
02:44:06,870 --> 02:44:05,520
all right welcome back fade to black i'm

3962
02:44:07,220 --> 02:44:06,880
here with jimmy church thank you don

3963
02:44:08,950 --> 02:44:07,230
schmidt

3964
02:44:13,030 --> 02:44:08,960
[Music]

3965
02:44:16,070 --> 02:44:13,040
the absolute best he's been there man

3966
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he's been there all his links are over

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at

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ever including the new book and

3971
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i've opened up the phone lines and if

3972
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747-228-2051

3973
02:44:34,790 --> 02:44:34,000
what a great conversation and opening

3974
02:44:38,309 --> 02:44:34,800
the door

3975
02:44:39,190 --> 02:44:38,319
to his uh his little ranch to the fader

3976
02:44:43,269 --> 02:44:39,200
knots

3977
02:44:46,550 --> 02:44:45,590
that sounds like a good time to me man

3978
02:44:50,550 --> 02:44:46,560
it really does

3979
02:44:51,750 --> 02:44:50,560
all right ah let's go to the phones hi

3980
02:44:54,790 --> 02:44:51,760
you're live on fade to black who's

3981
02:44:57,990 --> 02:44:57,190
you're live oh man don't tell me i

3982
02:45:01,349 --> 02:44:58,000
didn't click

3983
02:45:05,910 --> 02:45:01,359
hold on for a second uh yeah you are

3984
02:45:09,349 --> 02:45:05,920
live i'm putting you back on hold

3985
02:45:13,349 --> 02:45:09,359
hate to do this but i've got to do it

3986
02:45:15,990 --> 02:45:13,359
and so let's go to the next caller

3987
02:45:17,590 --> 02:45:16,000
always be ready be ready to go when you

3988
02:45:20,790 --> 02:45:17,600
hear my voice

3989
02:45:26,870 --> 02:45:20,800
be ready to go

3990
02:45:30,230 --> 02:45:29,110
oh that's that that this appears to be

3991
02:45:31,429 --> 02:45:30,240
me now

3992
02:45:34,230 --> 02:45:31,439
all right let's try it again hi you're

3993
02:45:36,790 --> 02:45:34,240
live on fade to black who's calling

3994
02:45:37,269 --> 02:45:36,800
hi jimmy it's deb what appears to be you

3995
02:45:41,670 --> 02:45:37,279
oh

3996
02:45:45,510 --> 02:45:41,680
okay uh i i think it's me

3997
02:45:48,710 --> 02:45:45,520
so uh don schmidt what'd you think

3998
02:45:49,910 --> 02:45:48,720
oh i think uh you know he's got a lot of

3999
02:45:52,870 --> 02:45:49,920
great points

4000
02:45:56,309 --> 02:45:52,880
as far as you know his uh perception

4001
02:45:57,670 --> 02:45:56,319
about trump i find that fascinating um i

4002
02:45:59,269 --> 02:45:57,680
think that if there is going to be a

4003
02:46:01,990 --> 02:45:59,279
disclosure president he'll be

4004
02:46:03,110 --> 02:46:02,000
it i think that he wouldn't be able to

4005
02:46:05,190 --> 02:46:03,120
to have the information

4006
02:46:06,630 --> 02:46:05,200
stand you know keep it to himself i

4007
02:46:08,309 --> 02:46:06,640
think when the time was right

4008
02:46:10,070 --> 02:46:08,319
he would drop it but i don't think he

4009
02:46:12,070 --> 02:46:10,080
would drop it to you know

4010
02:46:13,510 --> 02:46:12,080
um as an advantage for the election i

4011
02:46:17,590 --> 02:46:13,520
think he'd just want to share it with

4012
02:46:24,630 --> 02:46:21,429
about that yeah yeah i hear you there

4013
02:46:27,910 --> 02:46:24,640
i understand that but

4014
02:46:29,110 --> 02:46:27,920
no i i got the exact opposite opinion of

4015
02:46:33,990 --> 02:46:29,120
that

4016
02:46:38,790 --> 02:46:34,000
don don don loves to tweet

4017
02:46:41,590 --> 02:46:38,800
and if he had if he had the secret info

4018
02:46:41,910 --> 02:46:41,600
right if he was read in he'd tweet it

4019
02:46:43,910 --> 02:46:41,920
and

4020
02:46:44,950 --> 02:46:43,920
would he use it for an advantage of the

4021
02:46:48,469 --> 02:46:44,960
election

4022
02:46:51,349 --> 02:46:48,479
anybody would anybody

4023
02:46:52,870 --> 02:46:51,359
not just trump any anybody anybody would

4024
02:46:57,030 --> 02:46:52,880
i would

4025
02:47:00,389 --> 02:46:57,040
and i had that info i'm dropping it

4026
02:47:02,790 --> 02:47:00,399
i'm dropping it well i'd hope he would

4027
02:47:05,990 --> 02:47:02,800
either way i would hope he would

4028
02:47:08,070 --> 02:47:06,000
you know he's a human being

4029
02:47:09,830 --> 02:47:08,080
he would absolutely it's a very vocal

4030
02:47:13,349 --> 02:47:09,840
one this is

4031
02:47:15,670 --> 02:47:13,359
this is uh one of the uh

4032
02:47:16,790 --> 02:47:15,680
strangest and most competitive election

4033
02:47:21,110 --> 02:47:16,800
years that we've

4034
02:47:22,469 --> 02:47:21,120
ever had and if 2019 or 2016 wasn't

4035
02:47:26,389 --> 02:47:22,479
wacky

4036
02:47:29,670 --> 02:47:26,399
look at where we are in 2020 and

4037
02:47:30,230 --> 02:47:29,680
and right now everybody's playing every

4038
02:47:33,670 --> 02:47:30,240
card

4039
02:47:37,030 --> 02:47:33,680
that they can so that's it yeah and

4040
02:47:40,870 --> 02:47:37,040
uh you know what you won me over yeah

4041
02:47:43,110 --> 02:47:40,880
look look if biden

4042
02:47:44,630 --> 02:47:43,120
if biden had that information he'd be

4043
02:47:48,950 --> 02:47:44,640
dropping it

4044
02:47:51,590 --> 02:47:48,960
of course okay so never mind let

4045
02:47:53,269 --> 02:47:51,600
that's it that's it i'm i'm being very

4046
02:47:56,870 --> 02:47:53,279
very serious

4047
02:48:00,790 --> 02:47:56,880
um i don't know you are i don't know why

4048
02:48:01,990 --> 02:48:00,800
uh hillary when i forget the newspaper i

4049
02:48:04,630 --> 02:48:02,000
think it was in connecticut

4050
02:48:05,510 --> 02:48:04,640
i could be wrong um when she made those

4051
02:48:08,630 --> 02:48:05,520
statements

4052
02:48:10,950 --> 02:48:08,640
and uh was asked questions

4053
02:48:12,870 --> 02:48:10,960
and she went straight at the ufo card

4054
02:48:17,190 --> 02:48:12,880
there was no question about it

4055
02:48:20,630 --> 02:48:17,200
and the the silence after that

4056
02:48:22,309 --> 02:48:20,640
was pretty telling remember you know

4057
02:48:23,830 --> 02:48:22,319
we're talking about first lady and

4058
02:48:27,030 --> 02:48:23,840
secretary of state

4059
02:48:29,990 --> 02:48:27,040
was she uh you know she was a senator

4060
02:48:32,230 --> 02:48:30,000
or did she have access to information in

4061
02:48:34,950 --> 02:48:32,240
in her position did she know things

4062
02:48:36,469 --> 02:48:34,960
and was she effectively shut down after

4063
02:48:38,710 --> 02:48:36,479
those statements that she made to that

4064
02:48:41,830 --> 02:48:38,720
reporter i think it was connecticut

4065
02:48:43,349 --> 02:48:41,840
oh massachusetts right i don't remember

4066
02:48:45,590 --> 02:48:43,359
the name of the paper it was a smaller

4067
02:48:47,990 --> 02:48:45,600
paper i agree but i remember podesta was

4068
02:48:49,030 --> 02:48:48,000
um driving her towards doing that too he

4069
02:48:50,710 --> 02:48:49,040
kept telling people

4070
02:48:52,550 --> 02:48:50,720
of course ask her about that ask her

4071
02:48:53,990 --> 02:48:52,560
that question sure i was encouraging

4072
02:48:57,269 --> 02:48:54,000
people to ask her

4073
02:49:00,309 --> 02:48:57,279
because he really wants disclosure so

4074
02:49:03,429 --> 02:49:00,319
would would this be an opportunity

4075
02:49:06,389 --> 02:49:03,439
uh for for donald trump if

4076
02:49:08,870 --> 02:49:06,399
he and certainly with the climate today

4077
02:49:11,750 --> 02:49:08,880
when it comes to the ufo question

4078
02:49:12,150 --> 02:49:11,760
um if you want to tip the scales you

4079
02:49:15,190 --> 02:49:12,160
want

4080
02:49:17,910 --> 02:49:15,200
access to uh a

4081
02:49:18,870 --> 02:49:17,920
a voter base that you wouldn't

4082
02:49:22,230 --> 02:49:18,880
necessarily

4083
02:49:23,670 --> 02:49:22,240
have play the ufo card right

4084
02:49:24,870 --> 02:49:23,680
everyone everyone would want to know

4085
02:49:25,990 --> 02:49:24,880
what he'd want to know but he'd have to

4086
02:49:27,670 --> 02:49:26,000
be reelected for him to

4087
02:49:29,190 --> 02:49:27,680
spill it and so there's your tipping

4088
02:49:31,830 --> 02:49:29,200
scale right there well

4089
02:49:32,630 --> 02:49:31,840
and don brought up a really really

4090
02:49:35,750 --> 02:49:32,640
really

4091
02:49:39,030 --> 02:49:35,760
great point i didn't consider this

4092
02:49:41,429 --> 02:49:39,040
that's why don is the guest but

4093
02:49:42,309 --> 02:49:41,439
when we talk about jimmy carter or you

4094
02:49:45,429 --> 02:49:42,319
talk about

4095
02:49:48,389 --> 02:49:45,439
other past situations uh

4096
02:49:48,950 --> 02:49:48,399
dennis kucinich for example right and

4097
02:49:51,349 --> 02:49:48,960
he's and

4098
02:49:53,110 --> 02:49:51,359
you look at these different situations

4099
02:49:54,150 --> 02:49:53,120
that was during the election and they

4100
02:49:58,469 --> 02:49:54,160
weren't president

4101
02:50:00,309 --> 02:49:58,479
yet donald trump is president yes

4102
02:50:02,550 --> 02:50:00,319
that's a different thing and he's right

4103
02:50:04,870 --> 02:50:02,560
that's an executive order

4104
02:50:06,230 --> 02:50:04,880
but he's technically still a candidate

4105
02:50:09,429 --> 02:50:06,240
again too

4106
02:50:10,950 --> 02:50:09,439
but he has powers he has powers that

4107
02:50:12,790 --> 02:50:10,960
uh when you're running when you're

4108
02:50:13,429 --> 02:50:12,800
running as a candidate you're not

4109
02:50:15,990 --> 02:50:13,439
president

4110
02:50:16,469 --> 02:50:16,000
yet that's a different situation man did

4111
02:50:19,990 --> 02:50:16,479
you yeah

4112
02:50:22,469 --> 02:50:20,000
of course and i heard something funky

4113
02:50:26,950 --> 02:50:22,479
in here in the bunker did ever did

4114
02:50:30,790 --> 02:50:29,030
no but speaking of the bunker i had a

4115
02:50:34,550 --> 02:50:30,800
couple questions for you real quick

4116
02:50:39,349 --> 02:50:34,560
let's let's did anybody hear that noise

4117
02:50:42,389 --> 02:50:39,359
right now it sounded like

4118
02:50:44,309 --> 02:50:42,399
something fell over i'm just sitting

4119
02:50:45,910 --> 02:50:44,319
here on the microphone you guys can see

4120
02:50:49,269 --> 02:50:45,920
i'm not doing anything

4121
02:50:51,590 --> 02:50:49,279
that was that was bizarre

4122
02:50:52,550 --> 02:50:51,600
that's rita messing with you or did that

4123
02:50:55,590 --> 02:50:52,560
no she's uh

4124
02:50:58,070 --> 02:50:55,600
she's in in her studio um

4125
02:50:59,670 --> 02:50:58,080
yeah okay did you hear it or did it come

4126
02:51:02,710 --> 02:50:59,680
from your end

4127
02:51:05,590 --> 02:51:02,720
no no no

4128
02:51:06,630 --> 02:51:05,600
no all i heard was you someone go what

4129
02:51:08,950 --> 02:51:06,640
was that

4130
02:51:10,710 --> 02:51:08,960
hey have so have you quick questions

4131
02:51:13,349 --> 02:51:10,720
speaking of the bunker have you put any

4132
02:51:16,830 --> 02:51:13,359
surveillance cameras in the bunker

4133
02:51:19,830 --> 02:51:16,840
why it's all right oh oh

4134
02:51:23,269 --> 02:51:19,840
no you're talking about any activity

4135
02:51:24,870 --> 02:51:23,279
yeah no i i i of course not i've no i've

4136
02:51:28,550 --> 02:51:24,880
got cameras in here

4137
02:51:31,269 --> 02:51:28,560
am i recording uh no i'm not

4138
02:51:32,630 --> 02:51:31,279
i should i should actually do that

4139
02:51:34,790 --> 02:51:32,640
especially after what i just

4140
02:51:36,870 --> 02:51:34,800
do tonight yes since you just heard

4141
02:51:39,910 --> 02:51:36,880
something it sounded like

4142
02:51:42,950 --> 02:51:39,920
let me could it

4143
02:51:46,950 --> 02:51:42,960
no wow it sounded like uh

4144
02:51:48,309 --> 02:51:46,960
something metal i i i can't explain it

4145
02:51:51,990 --> 02:51:48,319
and it fell over

4146
02:51:57,910 --> 02:51:52,000
yeah okay ipd just said sounded clink

4147
02:52:01,590 --> 02:52:00,469
mark tarana just said yeah i heard it i

4148
02:52:04,550 --> 02:52:01,600
heard something

4149
02:52:05,510 --> 02:52:04,560
popped i thought it was me yeah i heard

4150
02:52:08,150 --> 02:52:05,520
it too

4151
02:52:09,750 --> 02:52:08,160
and maybe it was that razor that fell in

4152
02:52:11,429 --> 02:52:09,760
the shower it's made its way down to the

4153
02:52:11,990 --> 02:52:11,439
bunker and it's clinking around down

4154
02:52:14,790 --> 02:52:12,000
there

4155
02:52:16,469 --> 02:52:14,800
i don't see anything out of place though

4156
02:52:19,830 --> 02:52:16,479
no guitars

4157
02:52:24,070 --> 02:52:19,840
it was it was it sounded

4158
02:52:26,630 --> 02:52:24,080
like uh i i can't explain it i didn't

4159
02:52:29,110 --> 02:52:26,640
hear clearly because you were talking

4160
02:52:30,389 --> 02:52:29,120
uh when it happened but i i i wasn't

4161
02:52:33,910 --> 02:52:30,399
imagining it

4162
02:52:37,429 --> 02:52:33,920
everybody else heard it too um but

4163
02:52:39,349 --> 02:52:37,439
that was uh that was pretty trippy

4164
02:52:42,550 --> 02:52:39,359
i don't know i don't know i'm looking

4165
02:52:42,950 --> 02:52:42,560
around and i don't see anything out of

4166
02:52:44,950 --> 02:52:42,960
place

4167
02:52:46,389 --> 02:52:44,960
okay i think i think we all know what

4168
02:52:47,429 --> 02:52:46,399
you're going to be doing after you log

4169
02:52:48,790 --> 02:52:47,439
off tonight you're going to be on your

4170
02:52:49,510 --> 02:52:48,800
hands and knees looking around the

4171
02:52:52,950 --> 02:52:49,520
bunker

4172
02:52:55,269 --> 02:52:52,960
or whatever the hell that was

4173
02:52:56,070 --> 02:52:55,279
this is what look i'm rolling my chair

4174
02:52:57,990 --> 02:52:56,080
around you can't

4175
02:52:59,750 --> 02:52:58,000
hear that i'm moving this you can't hear

4176
02:53:01,030 --> 02:52:59,760
that i'm moving stuff

4177
02:53:03,190 --> 02:53:01,040
when i'm on the phone with you but i'll

4178
02:53:04,150 --> 02:53:03,200
take your word for it no and it happened

4179
02:53:07,190 --> 02:53:04,160
when you were

4180
02:53:07,750 --> 02:53:07,200
were asking me if i was recording and

4181
02:53:11,510 --> 02:53:07,760
then

4182
02:53:13,910 --> 02:53:11,520
cool

4183
02:53:15,269 --> 02:53:13,920
timing cia again they're after you i

4184
02:53:17,590 --> 02:53:15,279
mean so my other question

4185
02:53:18,389 --> 02:53:17,600
yes i'm sorry go ahead no no it's it's

4186
02:53:25,349 --> 02:53:18,399
your show

4187
02:53:28,550 --> 02:53:25,359
i'm just here to uh

4188
02:53:31,269 --> 02:53:28,560
come on now so i'm sure you're very

4189
02:53:32,870 --> 02:53:31,279
familiar with you know dave and dave

4190
02:53:34,550 --> 02:53:32,880
schrader and timothy and the banter that

4191
02:53:36,790 --> 02:53:34,560
they have are you familiar

4192
02:53:37,830 --> 02:53:36,800
with what happens when the word

4193
02:53:39,910 --> 02:53:37,840
phenomenon

4194
02:53:41,349 --> 02:53:39,920
is mentioned on their show no what

4195
02:53:43,429 --> 02:53:41,359
happens

4196
02:53:44,630 --> 02:53:43,439
do you remember back on sesame street

4197
02:53:46,150 --> 02:53:44,640
there were two muppets

4198
02:53:47,990 --> 02:53:46,160
and there was a little song they did

4199
02:53:50,469 --> 02:53:48,000
only instead of phenomenon

4200
02:53:54,550 --> 02:53:50,479
the word was numb and the other one

4201
02:53:58,710 --> 02:53:57,030
so whatever phenomenon is read or

4202
02:54:02,150 --> 02:53:58,720
mentioned on that show

4203
02:54:03,830 --> 02:54:02,160
whether it's it's usually uh tim that'll

4204
02:54:04,389 --> 02:54:03,840
be reading you know an email or

4205
02:54:06,469 --> 02:54:04,399
something

4206
02:54:08,389 --> 02:54:06,479
and it'll go uh phenomena and dave will

4207
02:54:10,230 --> 02:54:08,399
burst into

4208
02:54:12,230 --> 02:54:10,240
and he'll start singing that song and

4209
02:54:13,830 --> 02:54:12,240
it's absolutely hilarious

4210
02:54:16,230 --> 02:54:13,840
so every time you guys kept saying

4211
02:54:17,590 --> 02:54:16,240
phenomenon tonight i kept hearing that

4212
02:54:19,429 --> 02:54:17,600
and i was cracking up

4213
02:54:20,950 --> 02:54:19,439
and then i was thinking if i had taken a

4214
02:54:22,469 --> 02:54:20,960
drink tonight every time i heard the

4215
02:54:25,590 --> 02:54:22,479
worst phenomenon i'd

4216
02:54:28,150 --> 02:54:25,600
be unconscious right now because

4217
02:54:29,910 --> 02:54:28,160
because i kept hearing it so many times

4218
02:54:32,790 --> 02:54:29,920
because i was mindful of

4219
02:54:35,030 --> 02:54:32,800
who said constantly who said phenomenon

4220
02:54:38,230 --> 02:54:35,040
tonight was it don

4221
02:54:40,389 --> 02:54:38,240
both of you i said phenomenon

4222
02:54:42,469 --> 02:54:40,399
yeah you probably did but he said it a

4223
02:54:44,550 --> 02:54:42,479
lot i mean a lot a lot he kept

4224
02:54:46,469 --> 02:54:44,560
yeah saying the word phenomenon if you

4225
02:54:49,349 --> 02:54:46,479
go back and listen i mean you'll

4226
02:54:50,630 --> 02:54:49,359
you'll hear it a lot so you should but

4227
02:54:52,309 --> 02:54:50,640
you should um

4228
02:54:54,070 --> 02:54:52,319
i can't believe you're not familiar with

4229
02:54:56,309 --> 02:54:54,080
dave doing that on his show

4230
02:54:57,750 --> 02:54:56,319
no he does it every single episode

4231
02:54:59,750 --> 02:54:57,760
whenever that word's mentioned he's been

4232
02:55:02,550 --> 02:54:59,760
doing it for years it's funny

4233
02:55:04,469 --> 02:55:02,560
really funny are you going to go check

4234
02:55:05,990 --> 02:55:04,479
out the lizzie borden murder house this

4235
02:55:07,750 --> 02:55:06,000
weekend i think dave's going to do a

4236
02:55:10,150 --> 02:55:07,760
drive-by

4237
02:55:12,150 --> 02:55:10,160
yeah absolutely matter of fact i always

4238
02:55:13,670 --> 02:55:12,160
listen to darkness radio on

4239
02:55:15,990 --> 02:55:13,680
friday and saturday nights because he

4240
02:55:18,309 --> 02:55:16,000
posted early and it's a podcast

4241
02:55:19,670 --> 02:55:18,319
so it's not live so they'll probably be

4242
02:55:20,710 --> 02:55:19,680
they were going to do the lizzie borden

4243
02:55:22,790 --> 02:55:20,720
thing so i can

4244
02:55:24,550 --> 02:55:22,800
check that out although if it's a

4245
02:55:26,309 --> 02:55:24,560
podcast i have to do it live

4246
02:55:28,469 --> 02:55:26,319
i'll probably watch are you posting it

4247
02:55:29,990 --> 02:55:28,479
or you don't have to post it i just have

4248
02:55:33,990 --> 02:55:30,000
to look for it right because it's

4249
02:55:37,750 --> 02:55:34,000
you got to go to the flowers it's uh

4250
02:55:39,990 --> 02:55:37,760
you got to go to the dark zone dot tv

4251
02:55:41,830 --> 02:55:40,000
that's where you actually posted in

4252
02:55:43,670 --> 02:55:41,840
twitter today all i got to do is go to

4253
02:55:45,429 --> 02:55:43,680
your little thing and then find it and

4254
02:55:46,309 --> 02:55:45,439
click on it yeah yeah yeah there's a

4255
02:55:50,309 --> 02:55:46,319
banner

4256
02:55:53,110 --> 02:55:50,319
for it over at jimmychurchradio.com

4257
02:55:54,389 --> 02:55:53,120
yes indeed so yeah i'll uh i'll

4258
02:55:56,150 --> 02:55:54,399
definitely be

4259
02:55:57,990 --> 02:55:56,160
you know looking at that to see what

4260
02:56:01,110 --> 02:55:58,000
that is i'm sure he'll be talking about

4261
02:56:03,670 --> 02:56:01,120
it too on his uh on his podcast

4262
02:56:05,670 --> 02:56:03,680
all right deborah enjoy the rest of your

4263
02:56:07,429 --> 02:56:05,680
night and we'll see you tomorrow jason

4264
02:56:10,630 --> 02:56:07,439
quit

4265
02:56:12,550 --> 02:56:10,640
i cannot wait i cannot wait that's

4266
02:56:14,230 --> 02:56:12,560
so much fun when he comes over i can't

4267
02:56:16,550 --> 02:56:14,240
believe it's quid spirit c7

4268
02:56:18,150 --> 02:56:16,560
thank you so much have a great night you

4269
02:56:22,710 --> 02:56:18,160
too jimmy go back look happy

4270
02:56:26,070 --> 02:56:22,720
go back lee tappy deb from sacramento

4271
02:56:29,830 --> 02:56:26,080
now let's uh i got time for one more

4272
02:56:31,349 --> 02:56:29,840
call uh before the end of the night

4273
02:56:34,150 --> 02:56:31,359
hi you're live on fade to black who's

4274
02:56:40,550 --> 02:56:37,510
hi you're live on fade to black

4275
02:56:43,750 --> 02:56:40,560
and that is that

4276
02:56:46,309 --> 02:56:43,760
very bizarre okay all right

4277
02:56:46,870 --> 02:56:46,319
well uh tomorrow night jason quit is

4278
02:56:50,070 --> 02:56:46,880
here for

4279
02:56:52,790 --> 02:56:50,080
conspiracy seven and we have a list

4280
02:56:53,590 --> 02:56:52,800
if you haven't uh checked out conspiracy

4281
02:56:57,110 --> 02:56:53,600
yet

4282
02:57:00,670 --> 02:56:57,120
this is what happens uh jason and i

4283
02:57:03,590 --> 02:57:00,680
uh have a list of different

4284
02:57:05,110 --> 02:57:03,600
conspiracies and conspiracy theories

4285
02:57:07,349 --> 02:57:05,120
uh from around the world throughout

4286
02:57:11,110 --> 02:57:07,359
history uh all the way to

4287
02:57:14,150 --> 02:57:11,120
today and we discuss

4288
02:57:14,950 --> 02:57:14,160
these different conspiracy theories some

4289
02:57:18,070 --> 02:57:14,960
of them

4290
02:57:19,990 --> 02:57:18,080
hopefully you've never heard before and

4291
02:57:20,870 --> 02:57:20,000
i think that that is the funnest part of

4292
02:57:24,070 --> 02:57:20,880
the show

4293
02:57:27,349 --> 02:57:24,080
the other part of it is we

4294
02:57:28,790 --> 02:57:27,359
rate them one to four

4295
02:57:30,389 --> 02:57:28,800
pipes so you're not going to want to

4296
02:57:32,790 --> 02:57:30,399
miss that tomorrow night

4297
02:57:34,150 --> 02:57:32,800
is quit spirit c7 let's take one more

4298
02:57:36,070 --> 02:57:34,160
phone call hi you're live on fade to

4299
02:57:39,349 --> 02:57:36,080
black who's calling

4300
02:57:40,710 --> 02:57:39,359
jimmy this is jerry 406 montana how are

4301
02:57:45,990 --> 02:57:40,720
you

4302
02:57:49,030 --> 02:57:46,000
separate the politics down to

4303
02:57:52,150 --> 02:57:49,040
envelope and key

4304
02:57:55,110 --> 02:57:52,160
okay and

4305
02:57:57,110 --> 02:57:55,120
isn't that trippy because that goes back

4306
02:58:00,710 --> 02:57:57,120
basically to god and the devil

4307
02:58:03,670 --> 02:58:00,720
yeah and today man we're seeing a

4308
02:58:04,230 --> 02:58:03,680
division and i think that's alive and

4309
02:58:11,830 --> 02:58:04,240
well

4310
02:58:13,990 --> 02:58:11,840
uh the universe works right the duality

4311
02:58:15,110 --> 02:58:14,000
of everything positive and negative

4312
02:58:18,230 --> 02:58:15,120
light and dark

4313
02:58:21,910 --> 02:58:18,240
hot and cold right differences

4314
02:58:24,790 --> 02:58:21,920
of ideas and and division

4315
02:58:26,070 --> 02:58:24,800
and and and mending and building a

4316
02:58:29,429 --> 02:58:26,080
bridge between the two

4317
02:58:38,510 --> 02:58:29,439
isn't that how it's always been i

4318
02:58:38,520 --> 02:58:43,429
[Music]

4319
02:58:46,469 --> 02:58:44,950
yeah there was a division there

4320
02:58:49,590 --> 02:58:46,479
eventually and

4321
02:58:52,710 --> 02:58:49,600
enki wanted us to have knowledge to be

4322
02:58:55,269 --> 02:58:52,720
aware and be free i think that's what i

4323
02:58:55,830 --> 02:58:55,279
believe of enki and will wanted to

4324
02:58:59,990 --> 02:58:55,840
suppress

4325
02:59:02,790 --> 02:59:00,000
us it's always been that way

4326
02:59:03,429 --> 02:59:02,800
yeah yeah and and when you go through

4327
02:59:06,630 --> 02:59:03,439
and you

4328
02:59:10,150 --> 02:59:06,640
you know certainly with uh the ancient

4329
02:59:12,309 --> 02:59:10,160
uh sumerian text but if you look at

4330
02:59:13,590 --> 02:59:12,319
egypt or then you move forward and you

4331
02:59:15,990 --> 02:59:13,600
look at greece

4332
02:59:17,269 --> 02:59:16,000
you go forward from there and and look

4333
02:59:19,910 --> 02:59:17,279
at rome

4334
02:59:21,670 --> 02:59:19,920
go forward from there and and look at

4335
02:59:24,870 --> 02:59:21,680
the united kingdom or

4336
02:59:26,070 --> 02:59:24,880
or northern europe or yeah look at the

4337
02:59:29,269 --> 02:59:26,080
vikings

4338
02:59:32,389 --> 02:59:29,279
and go over to asia

4339
02:59:34,710 --> 02:59:32,399
and and look at china and japan always

4340
02:59:37,990 --> 02:59:34,720
the same duality

4341
02:59:39,349 --> 02:59:38,000
always the same battle going on between

4342
02:59:42,070 --> 02:59:39,359
light and dark

4343
02:59:43,750 --> 02:59:42,080
um good and evil it's always been there

4344
02:59:44,710 --> 02:59:43,760
i totally agree with you that's a great

4345
02:59:47,429 --> 02:59:44,720
phone call yeah

4346
02:59:49,030 --> 02:59:47,439
and that's a great way to end it and i

4347
02:59:52,070 --> 02:59:49,040
got a tattoo

4348
02:59:54,870 --> 02:59:52,080
on me hey go back with that

4349
02:59:55,349 --> 02:59:54,880
go back lee teppy great phone call and

4350
02:59:56,870 --> 02:59:55,359
uh

4351
02:59:58,710 --> 02:59:56,880
that that's a great way to end the show

4352
03:00:00,790 --> 02:59:58,720
right there absolutely

4353
03:00:01,830 --> 03:00:00,800
this is fade to black i am your host

4354
03:00:04,309 --> 03:00:01,840
jimmy church

4355
03:00:05,750 --> 03:00:04,319
tomorrow night right here the one and

4356
03:00:09,269 --> 03:00:05,760
only jason quit

4357
03:00:11,269 --> 03:00:09,279
for conspiracy seven i gotta thank don

4358
03:00:12,070 --> 03:00:11,279
schmidt what a great conversation

4359
03:00:15,110 --> 03:00:12,080
tonight

4360
03:00:16,870 --> 03:00:15,120
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4361
03:00:17,990 --> 03:00:16,880
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4362
03:00:20,469 --> 03:00:18,000
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4363
03:00:22,550 --> 03:00:20,479
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4364
03:00:27,030 --> 03:00:22,560
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4365
03:00:30,830 --> 03:00:27,040
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4366
03:00:33,030 --> 03:00:30,840
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4367
03:00:35,510 --> 03:00:33,040
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4368
03:00:40,469 --> 03:00:35,520
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4369
03:00:42,870 --> 03:00:40,479
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4370
03:00:44,230 --> 03:00:42,880
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4371
03:00:45,510 --> 03:00:44,240
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4372
03:00:47,590 --> 03:00:45,520
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4373
03:00:49,269 --> 03:00:47,600
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4374
03:00:50,070 --> 03:00:49,279
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4375
03:00:51,670 --> 03:00:50,080
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4376
03:00:53,269 --> 03:00:51,680
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4377
03:00:55,110 --> 03:00:53,279
black of the game changer network i'm

4378
03:00:56,790 --> 03:00:55,120
your host jimmy church

4379
03:00:59,110 --> 03:00:56,800
until tomorrow night with jason quit

4380
03:01:02,790 --> 03:00:59,120
quit spirit scene number seven

4381
03:01:08,550 --> 03:01:02,800
i want everybody to be safe

4382
03:01:26,030 --> 03:01:09,240
[Applause]

4383
03:01:26,040 --> 03:01:32,830
[Music]

4384
03:01:32,840 --> 03:01:37,000
so

4385
03:01:37,010 --> 03:01:46,830
[Music]